Guys, does DCS have its own spring strength? It seems like I dial in my setting in the configurator

Guys, does DCS have its own spring strength? It seems like I dial in my setting in the configurator and save it. But when I start flying a module in DCS, it feels -5% to -10% lighter with regards to spring strength.

Wwalmis What grip/extension are you using? Sounds like it could be a balancing issue.

Leodis•12/15/23, 4:54 PM

Thanks walmis! I’m using a TM Hornet grip with the VPC 200mm Flightstick Extension so that would make sense.

TTinman Guys, does DCS have its own spring strength? It seems like I dial in my setting ...

Leodis•12/15/23, 4:57 PM

I believe so Tinman. You could try checking off “Sticky” in the configurator for Spring Force. I’m not sure if that overrides only the spring effect in DCS or all effects generated by TelemFFB though.

LLeodis Thanks walmis! I’m using a TM Hornet grip with the VPC 200mm Flightstick Extensi...

Number481•12/15/23, 5:00 PM

good practice to tune the balance force settings first, so that your stick more or less stays where you put it, even with no spring force enabled... then the adaptive centering will have to work a lot less to fully center the stick and you won't feel it as much or at all...

See this post for a general how-to.. 🧰support

NNumber481 good practice to tune the balance force settings first, so that your stick more ...

Leodis•12/15/23, 5:07 PM

Much appreciated! I’ll experiment with that tonight. I swear I did RTFM cover to cover

LLeodis I believe so Tinman. You could try checking off “Sticky” in the configurator for...

TinmanOP•12/16/23, 2:43 AM

Yeah thats what I was afraid of. But I will try. TY

TTinman Guys, does DCS have its own spring strength? It seems like I dial in my setting ...

Number481•12/16/23, 2:57 AM

That is the nature of FFB. DCS has native FFB support and each module has its own unique implementation.

If you enable sticky spring, you will lose the entire dynamic aspect of FFB (if the aircraft has such, aka non-FBW) including trim movement.

Don’t try to set up the rhino for a specific aircraft outside of the sim. Do it while the sim is running and you are loaded in the aircraft.

As a simplified explanation, if DCS says “set %85 spring strength”, that %85 is not related to the maximum force your joystick can output, it is related to the maximum force you have configured in vpf configurator.

So if you had your slider at %50, and DCS said “set %85”, that actually results in %85 of %50.

Number481•12/16/23, 2:58 AM

If you want to go as far as having different configurator profiles for different aircraft, you can accomplish that with TelemFFB which can dynamically load profiles when you load into an aircraft.

superbird1011•12/16/23, 2:39 PM

@walmis I just sent you a message, am I still good to go ahead and pay for my Rhino or have I lost my space? Client took ages to finally pay.

FlatSpin•12/16/23, 4:22 PM

DM?

Jehly•12/16/23, 11:11 PM

Suddenly got a super weird thing where my stick will connect, motors will center, then immediately disconnect. If I restart the computer, it's fine.

Shaz•12/17/23, 7:06 PM

Hey all, not sure where to post this. I got a message from the BOT that I need to fill out a form and that I was also emailed this information. I looked in my inbox and I was unable to find anything besides my initial request a year or so ago. I have filled the form, but I still haven't gotten anything from the bot or via Email. I just want to make sure that whoever is running the orders is aware that I am still here and still interested in purchasing one. I just don't want to lose my spot in the queue after waiting all this time. Just not really sure how to go about this convoluted process. Feel free to DM me or respond here and I will respond once I see it.

SShaz Hey all, not sure where to post this. I got a message from the BOT that I need t...

Number481•12/17/23, 7:19 PM

long time no see on the varjo discord (that place went downhill

).. walmis will be able to confirm %100 your status.. but if you message the bot with

!info <your email>

!info <your email>

and get a return with your position in line.. I think you should be good to go

NNumber481 long time no see on the varjo discord (that place went downhill 😂 ).. walmis w...

Shaz•12/17/23, 9:06 PM

Dude for real.. once they lowered the price, the floodgates opened. Walmis reached out and I think we will get this all squared away. Just trying to give dude money haha

Shaz•12/17/23, 9:06 PM

I am also on the BSB now, my Aero is officially collecting dust. Just using it as a backup. I just can't go back.

SShaz I am also on the BSB now, my Aero is officially collecting dust. Just using it a...

Ophelia•12/18/23, 1:33 AM

The BSB is that much better than the aero? Even without eye tracking?

Number481•12/18/23, 1:35 AM

I think it’s going to depend a lot on your use case. If you dont play any games that support quad views , eye tracking doesn’t buy you anything.

Number481•12/18/23, 1:48 AM

If you take away eye tracking as a benefit of the aero, the OLED panels and sheer lightweight size of the BSB sound pretty attractive.

Ophelia•12/18/23, 2:06 AM

I pretty much only play DCS

Number481•12/18/23, 2:21 AM

the aero (and the crystal) are arguably the best headsets available for DCS as it supports quad views.. you can get better performance and better resolution than pure stereo mode.. but its literally the only title (other than pavlov) that supports quad-views (and even then, its only fully supported with the extensions written by the openxr toolkit author)... DCS's quad-view implementation is half-assed.. like most of DCS.

Shaz•12/18/23, 2:28 AM

For DCS, yes, stick with the Aero. But for everything else. I would pick the BSB everytime.

Jehly•12/18/23, 2:39 AM

I’ve been waiting for the big screen vr to come out

SShaz For DCS, yes, stick with the Aero. But for everything else. I would pick the BSB...

Dr. No•12/18/23, 6:48 AM

@theshazman I've been waiting for someone like you to finally own one! How bad is it with BSB for DCS ... If you downed the resolution a bit would it make a difference? Do you have a 4090? Do you think with a 3090ti i could just lower the resolution a bit? Im really excited about that headset. Much more over Varejo. Would a 13900k or high end amd processor help the cpu part of the load? What about fixed foveated rendering with openxr? Although i think I saw that not as an option yet for open xr.

TinmanOP•12/18/23, 11:57 AM

Hey guys, what temps should I start to worry about the Rhino's motors?

TinmanOP•12/18/23, 11:58 AM

Also, should I worry bout dust and pet hair clogging stuff in the base?

walmis•12/18/23, 12:09 PM

You shouldn't worry about the temps, it's self-regulating.
You can open the back anually and blow out the dust with compressed air

But it shouldn't cause any issues.

Bob Bushman•12/18/23, 12:33 PM

Didn't find any winding temps for this but intended ambient range is 50c, at which the fans are set to start.
Commonly with electrical motors max winding temp is about 125c.
For our use case that would take pulling max torque for a substantial amount of time, I'm guessing 3-5x the length of a normal dogfight without any pauses in between, if at all.
So I'm not really worried about the temps.

DDr. No @theshazman I've been waiting for someone like you to finally own one! How bad i...

Shaz•12/18/23, 2:35 PM

I'll try to answer these to the best of my knowledge. Keep in mind that I am not a regular DCS player. For the longest time I used it to fly mock patterns in the Huey to practice for my actual civil private flying due to the flight model. Since then I've switched to XP12 which in my opinion offers an even better and more realistic rotary experience with the R22.

I have a 4090 but a 3090Ti should do just fine. In my experience the game remains CPU bound and I'm on a 7950x3D so I don't know if the GPU is going to make much of a difference between those two. As far as I know, there is no OXR layer with the BSB, everything runs natively through SteamVR runtime so I haven't made any attempts to mess with that. So that means no Foveated Rendering (fixed nor dynamic). But the picture to my eyeballs remains clearer on the BSB than the Aero due to the chromatic aberrations, color shift and mangled distortion profile that has plagued the Aero since VB 3.5. The picture on the BSB is just crystal clear without any messing about.

I haven't played with any custom resolution, the default has been perfectly clear. But the sweet spot on the Aero can arguably be wider however the stereo overlap is much greater with the BSB allowing for a much wider 'perceived' FOV even though it's a hair narrower horizontally. 75hz is what I play on and I haven't had the need to go 90hz yet.

As the work week slows down, I plan on dusting the puma and I will give DCS another run and see if I can add more color to that experience but let me know if there's anything else I can help answer. Cheers!

Dr. No•12/19/23, 2:16 AM

Nice that's awesome!
If I come up with more I'll ask, I have vive pro and colors and a lot of other things i actually like over hp Reverb G2. Honestly, at this point I think I'm sold I'll think about getting on that waitlist.

neok•12/20/23, 1:05 AM

Hey guys, my mechanical center seems to be off, how do I reset it to center?

slowmover•12/20/23, 12:43 PM

slowmover•12/20/23, 12:43 PM

shouldi change the x and y limit or i am okay?

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walmis•12/20/23, 1:38 PM

Adjust the X belt so the range is within 0 - 4096, that will ensure there will no be undefined power-up position

Guicans•12/21/23, 2:35 AM

Hi, anyone knows what does this parameter means and how it works?

Guicans•12/21/23, 2:39 AM

According to the description, I should calibrate first, then set spring gain to 0, move one of the axis to the edge. Then gradually increase spring gain. But how should I do with the 4th and 5th descriptions?

GGuicans According to the description, I should calibrate first, then set spring gain to ...

walmis•12/21/23, 6:02 AM

You can also calibrate, then turn on full force and push the stick to the edge. If the logical axis does not reach the calibrated edge, then you can increase the value until it does. If you have a Rhino, then you can just use the predefined values.

Wwalmis You can also calibrate, then turn on full force and push the stick to the edge. ...

Guicans•12/21/23, 6:09 AM

Thanks for help and now I know what this means!

Epyon•12/22/23, 2:35 PM

Hello, is there any way of applying some spring force when the force trim button ia pressed? I think that, right now, the spring force is zeroed when the button is pressed and hold. Is it possible to, let's say, have 20% spring force instead of 0%?

rexxtr•12/22/23, 10:53 PM

Hi, I just got my rhino, but DCS doesn't seem to recognize it as a FFB device. I have force feedback enabled in the setting, but when I am in a huey, the stick doesn't stay at where I release the force trim button. It goes back to the center. Is there anyway to debug.

Rrexxtr Hi, I just got my rhino, but DCS doesn't seem to recognize it as a FFB device. I...

Number481•12/22/23, 10:58 PM

Make sure you don’t have “sticky” enabled in the vpf configurator settings.

NNumber481 Make sure you don’t have “sticky” enabled in the vpf configurator settings.

rexxtr•12/22/23, 11:14 PM

I have sticky unchecked and only the spring force enabled. DCS doesn't seem to override it. I was using a brunner before, when I launched into DCS, the stick would become "limp". But the rhino is behaving like a normal joystick with "springs". It's weird.

FlatSpin•12/23/23, 12:18 AM

Did you follow the DCS setup in the Rhino manual?

rexxtr•12/23/23, 12:28 AM

yes, I enable ffb in the DCS setting as per section 5.1 of the manual. The huey's trim setting is default.

rexxtr•12/23/23, 12:50 AM

This is what I see in dcs.log. For whatever reason, it is not recognizing the rhino as ffb.

INFO    INPUT (Main): created [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick] with full id [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick {5B4C4B40-A0DC-11ee-8001-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: no

INFO    INPUT (Main): created [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick] with full id [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick {5B4C4B40-A0DC-11ee-8001-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: no

Number481•12/23/23, 1:10 AM

~~do you see any errors when you hit the webusb page from a chrome based browser? https://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/~~

That's a weird one

rexxtr•12/23/23, 1:10 AM

Ok, I unplugged everyting except for the rhino and DCS finally recognizes it as a ffb device.

rexxtr•12/23/23, 1:11 AM

It was a weird one. Thank you all for helping

FlatSpin•12/23/23, 1:13 AM

powered usb hub?

rexxtr•12/23/23, 1:17 AM

rhino is directly plugged into my pc and the other devices are plugged into the powered usb hubs

Final Glide•12/24/23, 3:57 AM

Hopefully someone can help. Doing initial setup of my Rhino and after starting the TelemFFB app for the first time I'm not getting screen that is shown in the Manual. instead I have a screen that says the following

Final Glide•12/24/23, 3:57 AM

2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - TelemFFB Starting
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - Found Saved Games directory: D:\Saved Games
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - D:\Saved Games\DCS does not exist, ignoring
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - Checking D:\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - Open Rhino HID FFFF:2055
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - Listening on UDP :34380