@theshazman I've been waiting for someone like you to finally own one! How bad is it with BSB for DC

@theshazman I've been waiting for someone like you to finally own one! How bad is it with BSB for DCS ... If you downed the resolution a bit would it make a difference? Do you have a 4090? Do you think with a 3090ti i could just lower the resolution a bit? Im really excited about that headset. Much more over Varejo. Would a 13900k or high end amd processor help the cpu part of the load? What about fixed foveated rendering with openxr? Although i think I saw that not as an option yet for open xr.

Tinman•12/18/23, 11:57 AM

Hey guys, what temps should I start to worry about the Rhino's motors?

Tinman•12/18/23, 11:58 AM

Also, should I worry bout dust and pet hair clogging stuff in the base?

walmis•12/18/23, 12:09 PM

You shouldn't worry about the temps, it's self-regulating.
You can open the back anually and blow out the dust with compressed air

But it shouldn't cause any issues.

Bob Bushman•12/18/23, 12:33 PM

Didn't find any winding temps for this but intended ambient range is 50c, at which the fans are set to start.
Commonly with electrical motors max winding temp is about 125c.
For our use case that would take pulling max torque for a substantial amount of time, I'm guessing 3-5x the length of a normal dogfight without any pauses in between, if at all.
So I'm not really worried about the temps.

DDr. No @theshazman I've been waiting for someone like you to finally own one! How bad i...

Shaz•12/18/23, 2:35 PM

I'll try to answer these to the best of my knowledge. Keep in mind that I am not a regular DCS player. For the longest time I used it to fly mock patterns in the Huey to practice for my actual civil private flying due to the flight model. Since then I've switched to XP12 which in my opinion offers an even better and more realistic rotary experience with the R22.

I have a 4090 but a 3090Ti should do just fine. In my experience the game remains CPU bound and I'm on a 7950x3D so I don't know if the GPU is going to make much of a difference between those two. As far as I know, there is no OXR layer with the BSB, everything runs natively through SteamVR runtime so I haven't made any attempts to mess with that. So that means no Foveated Rendering (fixed nor dynamic). But the picture to my eyeballs remains clearer on the BSB than the Aero due to the chromatic aberrations, color shift and mangled distortion profile that has plagued the Aero since VB 3.5. The picture on the BSB is just crystal clear without any messing about.

I haven't played with any custom resolution, the default has been perfectly clear. But the sweet spot on the Aero can arguably be wider however the stereo overlap is much greater with the BSB allowing for a much wider 'perceived' FOV even though it's a hair narrower horizontally. 75hz is what I play on and I haven't had the need to go 90hz yet.

As the work week slows down, I plan on dusting the puma and I will give DCS another run and see if I can add more color to that experience but let me know if there's anything else I can help answer. Cheers!

Dr. NoOP•12/19/23, 2:16 AM

Nice that's awesome!
If I come up with more I'll ask, I have vive pro and colors and a lot of other things i actually like over hp Reverb G2. Honestly, at this point I think I'm sold I'll think about getting on that waitlist.

neok•12/20/23, 1:05 AM

Hey guys, my mechanical center seems to be off, how do I reset it to center?

slowmover•12/20/23, 12:43 PM

slowmover•12/20/23, 12:43 PM

shouldi change the x and y limit or i am okay?

Sslowmover Click to see attachment

walmis•12/20/23, 1:38 PM

Adjust the X belt so the range is within 0 - 4096, that will ensure there will no be undefined power-up position

Guicans•12/21/23, 2:35 AM

Hi, anyone knows what does this parameter means and how it works?

Guicans•12/21/23, 2:39 AM

According to the description, I should calibrate first, then set spring gain to 0, move one of the axis to the edge. Then gradually increase spring gain. But how should I do with the 4th and 5th descriptions?

GGuicans According to the description, I should calibrate first, then set spring gain to ...

walmis•12/21/23, 6:02 AM

You can also calibrate, then turn on full force and push the stick to the edge. If the logical axis does not reach the calibrated edge, then you can increase the value until it does. If you have a Rhino, then you can just use the predefined values.

Wwalmis You can also calibrate, then turn on full force and push the stick to the edge. ...

Guicans•12/21/23, 6:09 AM

Thanks for help and now I know what this means!

Epyon•12/22/23, 2:35 PM

Hello, is there any way of applying some spring force when the force trim button ia pressed? I think that, right now, the spring force is zeroed when the button is pressed and hold. Is it possible to, let's say, have 20% spring force instead of 0%?

rexxtr•12/22/23, 10:53 PM

Hi, I just got my rhino, but DCS doesn't seem to recognize it as a FFB device. I have force feedback enabled in the setting, but when I am in a huey, the stick doesn't stay at where I release the force trim button. It goes back to the center. Is there anyway to debug.

Rrexxtr Hi, I just got my rhino, but DCS doesn't seem to recognize it as a FFB device. I...

Number481•12/22/23, 10:58 PM

Make sure you don’t have “sticky” enabled in the vpf configurator settings.

NNumber481 Make sure you don’t have “sticky” enabled in the vpf configurator settings.

rexxtr•12/22/23, 11:14 PM

I have sticky unchecked and only the spring force enabled. DCS doesn't seem to override it. I was using a brunner before, when I launched into DCS, the stick would become "limp". But the rhino is behaving like a normal joystick with "springs". It's weird.

FlatSpin•12/23/23, 12:18 AM

Did you follow the DCS setup in the Rhino manual?

rexxtr•12/23/23, 12:28 AM

yes, I enable ffb in the DCS setting as per section 5.1 of the manual. The huey's trim setting is default.

rexxtr•12/23/23, 12:50 AM

This is what I see in dcs.log. For whatever reason, it is not recognizing the rhino as ffb.

Number481•12/23/23, 1:10 AM

~~do you see any errors when you hit the webusb page from a chrome based browser? https://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/~~

That's a weird one

rexxtr•12/23/23, 1:10 AM

Ok, I unplugged everyting except for the rhino and DCS finally recognizes it as a ffb device.

rexxtr•12/23/23, 1:11 AM

It was a weird one. Thank you all for helping

FlatSpin•12/23/23, 1:13 AM

powered usb hub?

rexxtr•12/23/23, 1:17 AM

rhino is directly plugged into my pc and the other devices are plugged into the powered usb hubs

Final Glide•12/24/23, 3:57 AM

Hopefully someone can help. Doing initial setup of my Rhino and after starting the TelemFFB app for the first time I'm not getting screen that is shown in the Manual. instead I have a screen that says the following

Final Glide•12/24/23, 3:57 AM

2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - TelemFFB Starting
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - Found Saved Games directory: D:\Saved Games
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - D:\Saved Games\DCS does not exist, ignoring
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - Checking D:\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - Open Rhino HID FFFF:2055
2023-12-24 13:54:57 - INFO - Listening on UDP :34380

Final Glide•12/24/23, 3:57 AM

And another screen saying DCs Telem waiting for data

Tinman•12/24/23, 3:58 AM

Did you play the game? The game has to be running

Final Glide•12/24/23, 3:59 AM

Yes I tried playing DCs and it seems to be working. My issue is what is in the manual seems to allow adjusting parameters which I can't access

Tinman•12/24/23, 4:01 AM

Try to use this. Ppl mixup what version to use

Tinman•12/24/23, 4:01 AM

hold on

Tinman•12/24/23, 4:02 AM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/1185219691753525311

Tinman•12/24/23, 4:02 AM

the bottom one

Final Glide•12/24/23, 4:05 AM

Awesome thank you so much, that worked! Even without messing with settings this thing is an absolute game changer for my simpit. I'm so looking forward to my christmas holidays lol

Final Glide•12/24/23, 4:17 AM

I'm guessing the manual is a little out of date as I can't see on this latest version you linked where the settings tab is to allow adjustment of parameters. I can only select telem monitor and effects monitor but can't adjust anything. No big deal, just wanting to fiddle with things

FFinal Glide I'm guessing the manual is a little out of date as I can't see on this latest ve...

Number481•12/24/23, 4:31 AM

all of the cool fancy stuff you see in the manual is still in development

the current latest released version is still flat text files for the config.

Final Glide•12/24/23, 4:33 AM

Ahh yes I think I was figuring that out as you were typing and I was looking into edit config file. Not a problem at all. I'm blown away with what we have already and looking forward to what is coming! Thanks for all the help

Jehly•12/25/23, 2:48 AM

Not sure how many people this will affect, but there was a recent Sabrent USB powered hub firmware update. If windows tells you there's not enough power, update your firmware.

C6_lefuneste•12/25/23, 4:47 PM

Hello,
I have an issue: when I move very quickly my stick from left to right or from front to rear, the according motor “disabled” itself when I went near to the end of the course of the joystick. I still have the axis working, but no more FFB effect on it. There is also coggling occurred on the disabled axis. I need to go to the option “Debug/Reset Motor” to get my FFB effect back on the disabled axis. It seems I can reduce the issue by lowering “inertia” settings.
I’m using a DIY kit with and extension. Is it something I should do ?

PiNKSH!T•12/26/23, 2:53 AM

hey m8, when the motor does a vibration then shuts down the forces but you still have axis input is the motor safety cut off protecting itself from instability, as far as I understand it anyway. Inertia & also friction I think are two that can cause instability, they should be set fairly low, also in Expert Settings what are your LPF settings at? you can lower those to lessen the intensity of the effect by lowering those numbers I believe.

CC6_lefuneste Hello, I have an issue: when I move very quickly my stick from left to right or ...

PiNKSH!T•12/26/23, 2:53 AM

PPoor Yurik @jehlybean I sent 8020 an email this morning directly to the rep I dealt with la...

RAFFT•12/26/23, 4:43 AM

Any word I would love to orders some

PPiNKSH!T hey m8, when the motor does a vibration then shuts down the forces but you still...

C6_lefuneste•12/26/23, 7:15 AM

Here are my settings (reducing cut off effect). I find strange the "cut off" only occuring at the end of the move. As the problem seems linked to quick move, I reduce the effect linked to speed acceleration, beeing derivate of displacement. Previously they were at same level than friction.

CC6_lefuneste Here are my settings (reducing cut off effect). I find strange the "cut off" on...

PiNKSH!T•12/26/23, 12:07 PM

sry m8 been busy, those are my settings there, for the telem app periodic & constant effects should be 50%

PiNKSH!T•12/26/23, 12:08 PM

I have the Rhino not a diy tho

RRAFFT Any word I would love to orders some

Poor Yurik•12/26/23, 12:47 PM

@jehlybean Sorry for the delay. I called them the other day but the rep I spoke to couldn't find my order. I believe the reps I had worked with didn't enter the custom plate they made me into their system, but did it as a customer service resolution for me. However, I do believe if you call them and give them these specs they'll should be able to help you:
Item SKU: 65-2455 (this is a Solid Aluminum Plate: 6.350mm thick, the proper thickness for the 8mm countersunk you'll need to drill into it)
Dimensions: 180.32x190mm
Machining:
1) Full Edge Radius
2) 18mm Corner Radius (on all 4 corners)

The corner radius is what they don't have listed on their store page and is the reason you'd call them instead of ordering online. Worst case scenario, if you don't get the corners done, you'll just have little corner edges poking out where the rounded corners of the Rhino end. Not a huge deal. If you do get the corner radius done, the plate will perfectly match the underside of the Rhino.

Poor Yurik•12/26/23, 12:57 PM

If you live in the states, the total price will be around $45 for the plate and $20 for shipping. The latest rep I spoke to had recommended looking at their local partnered distributors list and contacting them instead to get the corner radiuses done (he was surprised someone had made them for me).

Prior reps had also mentioned contacting local distributors to me too, but their recommendation was for potentially lower the shipping costs. The distributor lookup is a search bar on the bottom if the 8020.net website. There wasn't a local distributor for me, which is why I went the route of calling and working it out with them directly.

TripRodriguez•12/26/23, 8:17 PM

Hey guys, quick question. Can someone please check the voltage and amperage of the power adapter for the Rhino and let me know? A bunch of my sim gear got moved around during renovations and now I can't be sure which adapter is for what.