VPforce Controls•2y ago

Thx Number481👍! Stupid question. Does Helicopter even have a Force Trim for the rudder, like the Cy

Thx Number481

! Stupid question. Does Helicopter even have a Force Trim for the rudder, like the Cyclic Stick?

PPikas62 Thx Number481👍! Stupid question. Does Helicopter even have a Force Trim for the...

Pikas62OP•12/25/23, 2:18 PM

Yes, they obviously have: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/296561-is-there-rudder-trim-on-the-real-apache/

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Is there Rudder trim on the real Apache?

The Apache is the first module where the "Rudder trimmer" option is more then a checkbox in special options. I wondered if the Rudder in the real chopper is also trimmed to a new center position when using the Force Trim Release button?

Fr4Ged•12/25/23, 2:23 PM

first of all there is no rudder in a helo.

certain helos have pedal trim. certainly the more modern ones.
in DCS most of the helos do have pedal trim.

Pikas62OP•12/25/23, 2:29 PM

True. Thanks for the correction

Number481•12/25/23, 2:31 PM

Very few helicopters do. Unfortunately in DCS the “FFB” settings for the pedal trimmers does not behave properly when enabled. Why they even have the setting, IDK since DCS doesn’t even support FFB pedals. But…if it behaved properly, it might be possible to emulate moving pedals with autopilot.

NNumber481 Very few helicopters do. Unfortunately in DCS the “FFB” settings for the peda...

Pikas62OP•12/25/23, 2:40 PM

Thanks! Good to know. A force trim function that workes properly in DCS with a helicopter would have been the most important reason to invest the money and work in a rudder mod for me. You saved me money and time!

PPikas62 Thanks! Good to know. A force trim function that workes properly in DCS with a h...

Number481•12/25/23, 2:49 PM

the reality of it is though, that once the pedals automatically switch between spring and no-spring mode.. you don't really need force trim for the pedals. No, the pedals won't move with autopilot, and no, they won't move with pedal trim input, but they stay where you put them.

Jump into a FW aircraft though, and they are back to having springs..

But if you only fly helos and have a damper mod on your pedals.. you won't gain much today by moving to FFB pedals (even though the dampening is superior to a motorcycle sterring damper)

NNumber481 the reality of it is though, that once the pedals automatically switch between s...

Pikas62OP•12/25/23, 3:08 PM

Hm, those are a few good arguments for FFB rudder pedals. This makes me thinking again

AndyHill•12/25/23, 4:28 PM

For me just the feel in general and excellent damping specifically are reasons enough to have ffb on everything

AndyHill•12/25/23, 4:28 PM

then again I would appreciate a throttle that starts to creep forward whenever my own courage starts to fail

NNumber481 I published my as built on GitHub. https://github.com/Number481/VirpilACE-VPForc...

Pikas62OP•12/25/23, 9:54 PM

The main pulley, the gear arm / gear mounting plate and, as you have already described, the throw limiter are probably the elements from 3D printing with the highest load. What material, process and filling level did you use to have this made?

PPikas62 The main pulley, the gear arm / gear mounting plate and, as you have already des...

Number481•12/25/23, 9:57 PM

I printed everything with PLA+, 4 walls, %40 infill.

Pikas62OP•12/25/23, 9:58 PM

Thank you for the lightning-fast reply!

Number481•12/25/23, 9:59 PM

I pretty much use PLA for everything when I want raw strength and I’m not concerned about temps.

Pikas62OP•12/25/23, 10:02 PM

Thx a lot! Btw I have already ordered the VPC Ace

Naudiz•12/26/23, 2:07 PM

Anyone here fiddled with a hybrid simracing/flightsim setup?

Naudiz•12/26/23, 2:07 PM

I feel like the Rhino would not fit in particularly well on my Ikea office chair

FlatSpin•12/26/23, 2:38 PM

yes

FFlatSpin yes

Naudiz•12/26/23, 2:57 PM

How did it turn out? Have any pics of it?

sabreman•12/26/23, 5:35 PM

Just got my rhino, it's incredible

sabreman•12/26/23, 5:36 PM

Now I just need a mount lol

sabreman•12/26/23, 5:36 PM

Aaaaaaand it's also making me want to mode my pedals to be FFB

NNaudiz Anyone here fiddled with a hybrid simracing/flightsim setup?

MashedPotato•12/26/23, 5:56 PM

Currently using a gen3 openwheeler setup. Only have flight atm, but considering breaking in to racing in 2024. Their rigs can be set up to (relatively) quick swap between multiple setups

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 6:42 PM

I'm still building my hybrid setup

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 6:42 PM

It's basically done I'm just lazy to do the final bit (also there's some other modifications I want to do that'll have to wait until after tax season)

Bob Bushman•12/26/23, 7:20 PM

Got my tracking number almost a week ago, and ao far no movement

Granted most of that time has been holidays so

Wwalmis I'll provide kits with the necessary stuff to mount the FFB kit on the MFG. Only...

DoCBarT•12/26/23, 8:34 PM

Also interested

MMashedPotato Currently using a gen3 openwheeler setup. Only have flight atm, but considering ...

Naudiz•12/26/23, 9:31 PM

@bounty_v How did you guys handle the pedal situation?

FlatSpin•12/26/23, 9:33 PM

two mounting plates

NNaudiz @bounty_v How did you guys handle the pedal situation?

MashedPotato•12/26/23, 9:56 PM

Once I actually do it, I'm going to get a second pedal plate/bar for the racing setup.

Naudiz•12/26/23, 9:57 PM

And just change them out by hand when needed?

NNaudiz @bounty_v How did you guys handle the pedal situation?

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 10:18 PM

if you search messages from me that contain images I have shared some pics of different iterations of my build, might give you an idea idk

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 10:20 PM

I plan to invert my racing pedals and raise them higher than they currently are (I have rudder pedals mounted on a frame I added to the bottom of my cockpit underneath the racing pedals, then I just slide the racing pedal plate backwards to use them) so that I have access to both at once, but since it is entirely DIY with no real reference I'll basically need to get every part cut to custom lengths and figure out every piece I need.

I also plan to modify left cockpit arm that will mount my throttle and control panel into a door so I can open and close that for easier access to sitting down.

Lastly, I plan to diy some sort of floor shroud around my center mounted Rhino base so I don't accidently hit it with my shoes getting in and out

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 10:21 PM

Since all of that will end up being a decent amount of money ($200+) I'm waiting until after April to pull the trigger

JJon (Bounty_V)I plan to invert my racing pedals and raise them higher than they currently are ...

Naudiz•12/26/23, 11:18 PM

I wonder if it's possible to construct some sort of sliding system to change the pedal sets easily, but it may be more inconvenient than not

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 11:20 PM

There's someone who figured that out it's just more DIY than I personally have the capacity to accomplish

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 11:20 PM

they built 2 pedal mounts and held them in place with magnets etc.

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 11:20 PM

was discussed in this server you can probably find the video

Naudiz•12/26/23, 11:21 PM

How tall is the Rhino with no grip? Would it be uncomfortable to have in place when using a wheel?

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 11:21 PM

faq

Jon (Bounty_V)•12/26/23, 11:22 PM

has the specs

NNaudiz How tall is the Rhino with no grip? Would it be uncomfortable to have in place w...

sabreman•12/27/23, 1:21 AM

I mean it depends entierly on where and how you moun it?

hariskut•12/27/23, 5:34 AM

Has anyone tried attaching heat sinks to the motor to slow down the motor's warming-up speed?

Virus•12/27/23, 9:30 AM

Anyone here with a Next Level Racing Military Seat?I just received it, and I am collecting ideas for mounting the Rhino in it. I would prefer to mount the Rhino without extensions

VPforceBot•12/27/23, 10:44 AM

RHINO #0320 Has Shipped!

VVirus Anyone here with a Next Level Racing Military Seat?I just received it, and I am ...

Duchess ✈•12/27/23, 4:24 PM

I just installed mine in my rig that I received for Christmas. I will be following to see what suggestions people have. I am planning on mounting mine to my QR4Rigs mount, the same one I am using for my Virpil CM3 base... hoping that works.

LeLv30_Superbus•12/27/23, 4:39 PM

Can you drill a hole here and attach a base plate large enough for a

? I know, it looks too small to be stable but I don't see any other way to mount a Rhino into this rig right away. Not without making several new parts out of wood or metal.

TripRodriguez•12/27/23, 8:24 PM

I'd design and 3D print a mount Fourgrinder. Is that not an option for you? My rig is different from yours and an easier problem but that's what I did for mine.

Duchess ✈•12/27/23, 10:28 PM

The QR4Rigs mounts are printed... pretty sturdy. I plan to use that.

Ssabreman Just got my rhino, it's incredible

Swan•12/27/23, 11:36 PM

What was the wait time? I put in a pre order a few weeks ago. I'm looking forward to getting this puppy setup

indifferent badger•12/27/23, 11:42 PM

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