since the rhino is using motors i would assume it does do it but for planes that move the stick for

since the rhino is using motors i would assume it does do it but for planes that move the stick for trimming instead of trimming the control surfaces is that possible with the rhino?

SStryker990 since the rhino is using motors i would assume it does do it but for planes that...

Antares•1/6/24, 9:46 AM

Yes, the stick will move with the trim for those planes which support it

JJehly I personally bought the MT chair mount. Love it.

Antares•1/6/24, 9:47 AM

Added advantage of a chair mount is that force feedback vibrations make the entire chair shake

AAntares Yes, the stick will move with the trim for those planes which support it

Stryker990OP•1/6/24, 9:48 AM

pog with the announcement of the full fidelity mig-29 for DCS im starting to want a rhino even more

Bob Bushman•1/6/24, 12:02 PM

You could probably get two by the time they release it.

Swe.tinker•1/6/24, 1:52 PM

Is it possible to use strain gauge sensors, and HX711 with 2x57BLF03 + USB kit directly or with an arduino .
for the real plane (JAS 39C Gripen) steers with force, and with ffb with values

The roll force increases 0.5Nm/° up to 7.8° left and right.

The pitch force increase 0.52Nm/° up to positive 11° and negative-7°.

Soft stop in pitch 11° and to hard stop increasing 0.8Nm/° to 15°.

Duchess ✈•1/6/24, 7:58 PM

FedEx still says, "Label Created"...

Bob Bushman•1/6/24, 8:07 PM

Mine said label created for over a week but Christmas was in the middle of that.

It takes a few days for it to reach the international carrier from his local

hexpod•1/7/24, 2:42 AM

Hey, what’s the max force in Nm you can get from the rhino?

Hhexpod Hey, what’s the max force in Nm you can get from the rhino?

Number481•1/7/24, 2:48 AM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/986474224241741884/986485131906809866

hexpod•1/7/24, 12:09 PM

KitanaiMonkey•1/8/24, 1:52 AM

!stats

KKitanaiMonkey !stats

VPforceBot•1/8/24, 1:52 AM

Hey @kitanaimonkey,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0331 on 2024-01-05
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 215 days, median is 228 days, max is 407 days
326 Rhinos are shipped in total

Swe.tinker•1/8/24, 6:48 AM

Does anyone know if this is the wrong thread to ask technical questions?

SSwe.tinker Does anyone know if this is the wrong thread to ask technical questions?

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原子力Hoshino•1/8/24, 7:21 AM

maybe try DM or @ walmis directly?

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原子力Hoshino•1/8/24, 7:23 AM

I'm too interested about how good can vpforce simulate gripen stick tho..quite a unique stick

SSwe.tinker Is it possible to use strain gauge sensors, and HX711 with 2x57BLF03 + USB kit d...

walmis•1/8/24, 7:27 AM

Hi, there's no need for strain gauges. The motors give roughly linear torque relationship with electrical current. All that's required is to calibrate the given spring profile.

VPforceBot•1/8/24, 2:19 PM

RHINO #0333 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•1/8/24, 2:19 PM

RHINO #0334 Has Shipped!

Matchstick•1/8/24, 2:48 PM

Apologies if this is a stupid question, but has anyone had any success using a Rhino in X-Plane 12 ?

MMatchstick Apologies if this is a stupid question, but has anyone had any success using a R...

Number481•1/8/24, 3:13 PM

As a regular joystick, it will work fine. But, XP does not support native FFB and the TelemFFB companion software does not yet support XP.

Some folks may be using the (now defunct) XPForce software but I’m not sure it works with XP12.

Matchstick•1/8/24, 3:14 PM

That's what I feared. With XPForce not being updated that could be a problem.
Thanks for that.,

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原子力Hoshino•1/8/24, 3:55 PM

Hope one day VPForce can support X-Plane..it's where the FFB is needed the most..plenty of top notch GA, and Boeings/Hydraulic controlled airliner with artificial aerodynamic load feel systems, without FFB, they lose half of the soul

Maybe an in-game plug-in is needed to be wrote for FFB to work? I saw other company did it that way..
Or maybe shoot an email directly to Laminar Research talking about the issue? The team is relatively small but seems to be very passionate about making the simulator true to life..maybe they just don't know that FFB is arising and they could do better helping the FFB devs

Chunky Rat•1/8/24, 4:53 PM

I want rhino

Monkee•1/8/24, 5:26 PM

yzhanping (the maker of the DIY F16) has confirmed on HOTAS/HOSAS/SIMPIT's discord the possibility to order custom grips with the amount of inputs (and also custom shape if we provide 3D data) we want!
He also added that the motherboard of the stick is based on the CD4021 series, which can have up to 118 button/trigger/encoder inputs!

@walmis can you confirm if the Rhino supports the CD4021 series of shift registers, please?
Also what would you think would be the best way to go if we were to order a stick made just for the Rhino in terms of connectors/hardware/software? (I don't know maybe it's not all relevant but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on what we should do if we can start from scratch.)
Thank you!

MMatchstick Apologies if this is a stupid question, but has anyone had any success using a R...

DofMan1234•1/8/24, 6:41 PM

As others have replied, I'm also hoping that xPlane (11 or 12) will soon be able to drive the Rhino stick, via the Rhino interface software. It's bl**dy amazing with MsFS, so would be even better with XP's handling.

I have a Brunner FF Yoke as well, and that works perfectly with MsFS and xPlane (11 and 12), with it's own intermediate software, so it can be done.

I also have the xpForce software which I've used for many years with a Sidewinder FF stick, but now just jerks it back and forth, and I haven't managed to get a peep out of my Rhino with it either. I tried emailing the developer, but unfortunately have never had any replies. It was quite cheap to register, but still a disappointment now to not get any responses.

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 8:47 PM

@_gunzablazin just a thought, but since the rhino is such a good basic joystick, I wonder if adding a software control for moving the joystick centre would be an easy win over full XP integration?

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 8:49 PM

Would allow the basic trimming in joystick rather than in game

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 8:51 PM

(If that would be a good compromise @match_stick @7hoshino?)

Matchstick•1/8/24, 8:52 PM

I'm mostly interested in FFB for helo flying in XP so something simple like that would be a good start for me

RRoyMi6 Would allow the basic trimming in joystick rather than in game

Number481•1/8/24, 8:56 PM

you can already do that using the hardware force trim functionality in configurator

MMonkee yzhanping (the maker of the DIY F16) has confirmed on HOTAS/HOSAS/SIMPIT's disco...

recoilfx•1/8/24, 8:57 PM

Yes, the generic grip profile works with CD4021s, up to 4 in series I think, so 32 buttons. I am using that right now with my diy stick.

NNumber481 you can already do that using the hardware force trim functionality in configura...

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 8:57 PM

Ohh nice

NNumber481 you can already do that using the hardware force trim functionality in configura...

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 9:23 PM

Sorry, I don't have a working grip at the moment (still waiting on a replacement adapter that got lost in the mail over Christmas) so I can't test this right at this second... But does "Trim Release" work like the "Pilot Trimmer" in the Heuy in DCS? I.e. I move the joystick to a position, press "Trim Release" and that's my new centre position?

RRoyMi6 Sorry, I don't have a working grip at the moment (still waiting on a replacement...

Number481•1/8/24, 9:25 PM

wrong order, but yes.... push (and hold) trim release button.. spring forces go to 0... release button, spring forces come back centered at new position

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 9:25 PM

ok nice, and Trim Reset presumably just sets it to stick centre?

RRoyMi6 ok nice, and Trim Reset presumably just sets it to stick centre?

Number481•1/8/24, 9:26 PM

yep

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 9:28 PM

perfect, cheers - well @match_stick and @7hoshino looks like not only would the Rhino give you a nice joystick with very little (if not zero) deadzone, you'd also get hardware trimming out the box before any additional effects were added

RRoyMi6 ok nice, and Trim Reset presumably just sets it to stick centre?

Bob Bushman•1/8/24, 9:31 PM

Yeah, grant I use the built in dcs huey trim, but I've find myself not needing trim reset anymore as you always know where your stick and input is.
Unlike with spring sticks, 'center' is kind if pointless.

Bob Bushman•1/8/24, 9:34 PM

Reset might be needed with the built in feature as that would unlikely reset between modules etc.
If you use it that is.

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 9:35 PM

Aye, I'm only talking about Xplane here really. DCS Huey and Apache (the only two helos I've got) have both got good FFB implmentations by my book. In game options for trim seems to work very well with both of them

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 9:36 PM

I was really just replying to matchstick and hoshino about how they were looking for xplane support for FFB Rhino

Number481•1/8/24, 9:36 PM

"reset" is really only a convenience concept for sprung joysticks.. real helicopters have no such button. (or a hardware force trim implementation that is not based on any telemetry from a sim)

Bob Bushman•1/8/24, 9:41 PM

Yup, quite necessary for spring sticks or youll end having to have something like the controls hud open and finagle the trim back to center so you dont loose track of where you are in terms of input forces.
And part of why I could never get into the apache.

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 9:42 PM

On a totally different subject - I think there's a couple of people looking for this (and sorry, @Bob Bushman you seem to be saying this isn't possible) but I think I've found a pretty good facsimile for the F16 force sensing stick...

My understanding of the F16 stick is that it does have SOME movement (and it's a shame the software endstops can't be made lower than 10%) but this appears to work bloody well in my mind

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 9:44 PM

(actually, spring gain isn't 100%, I have it controlled by the hardware pot and it's maybe only quater way up, just so the stick recenters well)

Bob Bushman•1/8/24, 9:44 PM

Contrary to popular belief, no man has died from eating his pride.

If you're right it saves me another 1k

RoyMi6•1/8/24, 9:45 PM

haha - yeah, try it out - with the endstops at 10% you defintly don't want an extension - but I'm of the understanding that the sidestick in the F16 doesn't IRL either

Bob Bushman•1/8/24, 9:49 PM

Running extension less center mount at the moment, but will definitely give this a whirl

Fierce_Fire•1/8/24, 9:49 PM

Doesnt the f16 feel wierd with ffb for you?

Bob Bushman•1/8/24, 9:52 PM

Havent actually tried it yet