you can already do that using the hardware force trim functionality in configurator
you can already do that using the hardware force trim functionality in configurator
RYes, the generic grip profile works with CD4021s, up to 4 in series I think, so 32 buttons. I am using that right now with my diy stick.
ROhh nice 
RSorry, I don't have a working grip at the moment (still waiting on a replacement adapter that got lost in the mail over Christmas) so I can't test this right at this second... But does "Trim Release" work like the "Pilot Trimmer" in the Heuy in DCS? I.e. I move the joystick to a position, press "Trim Release" and that's my new centre position?
Nwrong order, but yes.... push (and hold) trim release button.. spring forces go to 0... release button, spring forces come back centered at new position
Rok nice, and Trim Reset presumably just sets it to stick centre?
Nyep
Rperfect, cheers - well @match_stick and @7hoshino looks like not only would the Rhino give you a nice joystick with very little (if not zero) deadzone, you'd also get hardware trimming out the box before any additional effects were added 
BYeah, grant I use the built in dcs huey trim, but I've find myself not needing trim reset anymore as you always know where your stick and input is.
Unlike with spring sticks, 'center' is kind if pointless.
Unlike with spring sticks, 'center' is kind if pointless.
BReset might be needed with the built in feature as that would unlikely reset between modules etc.
If you use it that is.
If you use it that is.
RAye, I'm only talking about Xplane here really. DCS Huey and Apache (the only two helos I've got) have both got good FFB implmentations by my book. In game options for trim seems to work very well with both of them
RI was really just replying to matchstick and hoshino about how they were looking for xplane support for FFB Rhino
N"reset" is really only a convenience concept for sprung joysticks.. real helicopters have no such button. (or a hardware force trim implementation that is not based on any telemetry from a sim)
BYup, quite necessary for spring sticks or youll end having to have something like the controls hud open and finagle the trim back to center so you dont loose track of where you are in terms of input forces.
And part of why I could never get into the apache.
And part of why I could never get into the apache.
ROn a totally different subject - I think there's a couple of people looking for this (and sorry, @Bob Bushman you seem to be saying this isn't possible) but I think I've found a pretty good facsimile for the F16 force sensing stick...
My understanding of the F16 stick is that it does have SOME movement (and it's a shame the software endstops can't be made lower than 10%) but this appears to work bloody well in my mind
My understanding of the F16 stick is that it does have SOME movement (and it's a shame the software endstops can't be made lower than 10%) but this appears to work bloody well in my mind
R(actually, spring gain isn't 100%, I have it controlled by the hardware pot and it's maybe only quater way up, just so the stick recenters well)
BContrary to popular belief, no man has died from eating his pride.
If you're right it saves me another 1k
If you're right it saves me another 1k
Rhaha - yeah, try it out - with the endstops at 10% you defintly don't want an extension - but I'm of the understanding that the sidestick in the F16 doesn't IRL either
BRunning extension less center mount at the moment, but will definitely give this a whirl 
FDoesnt the f16 feel wierd with ffb for you?
BHavent actually tried it yet 
RI mean for me... I haven't flown a real F16... so with nothing to compare against 
FIt doesnt feel like how the springs in the f18, f15e or apache feel
NBig TelemFFB Release News
@Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner @VPforceFor the past 2 months or so (seems longer?), @smitty and I have been working hard in the background to completely revamp TelemFFB.
The effects aspect of TelemFFB have seen a lot of development, but the UI and configurability have always been a flat spot.
A big thanks to @smitty, who took the initiative to start working on a dynamic, graphical settings interface which necessitated a ground-up re-write of the entire configuration model and many, many enhancements and modifications to the overall TelemFFB UI.
You can grab the latest version over in Unknown. If you are already running the 'WiP' version (which most everyone is), you should automatically get the update the next time you start TelemFFB.
I won't bore you with too many gory details, but here are the high points:
- Completely UI driven config (no more ini files!)
- Only valid/applicable settings are shown when modifying a sim/aircraft category/aircraft (no more guessing)
- Live effect management for active aircraft right from the TelemFFB window
- Manage any sim / aircraft category / specific aircraft default settings through the settings manager interface
- Simple, wizard-based creation of settings for new aircraft (either 'new' or 'clone from existing')
- Easy operation for multiple FFB devices (i.e. joystick plus pedals and/or collective)
- Built in Auto-launch setup for multiple devices (no more need for command line arguments!)
- Dynamically manage unique config for any device from single master window
- Automatic management of user settings override for all sims and FFB devices
- Automated, built-in, legacy user override file (.ini) conversion
If you are running currently with multiple devices, you will certainly want to review the section covering that setup in the new version: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y/edit#heading=h.vq9olbg3m4ll
This is a pretty big boulder we just tossed in the 'pond of stability' of TelemFFB. So as more people get their hands on it, there will certainly be some unforeseen bugs or features/settings that are broken or missing... so, please, if you notice something please let us know!. We have squashed many bugs over the past several weeks of cleanup and polishing, bug you can never get them all!
Enjoy!
Here's some screenshots I leaked the other day:
PI think there was talk about trying (in the future) to emulate force sensing with the rhino's ffb? I'd love to see where this goes, I still plan on getting the winwing fssb but it'd be a good excuse for a second rhino! lol
R
εinteresting! so with this setting, it would require max stick force you've set for reaching 10% end stop, correct? Also maybe it's also a good idea that having the hardware throw limiter of 10% end stop to assist the software one, just in case you apply too much force and over come the software endstop
RYeah, itβs the spring that controls that, and I have the spring force configured be the potentiometer on the base (and itβs only about a quarter turn) so itβs not actually running at full 100%. But itβs a combination of settings worth trying. I think having the software endstops being slightly less would be better, but the lowest they go is 10% currently. I agree that having hardware ends stops would likely be beneficial to reduce load on the motor. For this youβd probably want to turn on Endstops but reduce the actual force power to 0%
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BWow, this new telemetry thingy is awesome! Everything feels so much better in DCS!
FHas anyone stuck a couple of motors into an original cockpit yet? Current plan was springs but I've always wanted to play with a ffb yoke. I've seen a few desktop style yoke projects which look really neat.
Show do i get the tabs all i se is this?
Sthat's the 'stable' version, you want the 'wip'
Ngrab the latest version in #VPforce-TelemFFB which is linked in the above post
Neither the last post from the github bot or from the downloads site in the pinned messages
SThanks
BThat just says "unknown" meaning I don't have access to the channel
BSeems discord was having a db hiccup
BJust gave this a whirl and must say it feels quite interesting, a bit nervous perhaps, and I noticed after a flight and tweaking some more settings, if I have my pot or spring settings at around 25% it's fine, but increase it much and pull to max, and then release quickly will trip the motor, mostly my y axis (but this could probably vary) somewhere around 30-40% it would likely trip easily.
Rah yeah, I noticed that once too. I thought I had set something wrong somewhere. Yeah, I know what you mean. Feels like you have to be gentle with it, but I suppose that's what you get from software endstops. As @7hoshino suggested, these settings with hardware endstops would likely work quite well. As you wouldn't be relying on the motors to provide that functionality they would likely have more capacity to act like a strong spring
BDon't think I need much more than a spring force of 25% either so 
, If making endstops I imagine they would need be less than the minimum 10%, but having these would naturally hamper other modules
, If making endstops I imagine they would need be less than the minimum 10%, but having these would naturally hamper other modules Sadjust friction & damping so that it doesnt go crazy when you release quickly.. might not be able to totally remove the oscillation though
Dsomething I have been meaning to do, get some endstops made.. does anyone know where the 3d files are for them?
BDefinitely feels like a very neat way to fly the viper, and never noticed this during flight, just after and while "messing around"
Dthanks
NTo use when flying a real airplane or for use in a cockpit being turned into a stationary cockpit?
Rdefintely an nice to have would be a variable endstop... like a peice that allows you to slide in endstops without having to replace the whole boot every time...
Dgoing to make endstops for F18
DI was thinking of making the boot attach with neodymium magnets