Would likely want bracing to the floor anyway, put some force on it during use and it will cause a l

Would likely want bracing to the floor anyway, put some force on it during use and it will cause a lot of force to planted onto that table top.

If it had been a 2" hardwood bench top, fine.

But that looks like 10mm and with that I wouldn't be surprised if it didnt rip a hole in your desk.

BBob Bushman Would likely want bracing to the floor anyway, put some force on it during use a...

superbird1011•1/20/24, 4:53 PM

It’ll do for now. This is a temp setup as I’m mid way through a move to Germany. In Germany I’ll be building a dedicated 80:20 rig for this so i can use the extension etc too

superbird1011•1/20/24, 4:53 PM

I’ll just keep it relatively turned down for noww

superbird1011•1/20/24, 5:16 PM

I’m impatient so i gave it a brief try with the F14 in dcs and OH my god

superbird1011•1/20/24, 5:16 PM

I will never fly without FFB again

Bob BushmanOP•1/20/24, 5:20 PM

Yup, makes my warbrd seem poorly in comparison.

At first i tested it out on mu desk just make sure it worked. And just that playing around with it for 10 seconds.

I wanted another..
Just using the trim feature for a lefty stick space thing would have been amazeballs.

superbird1011•1/20/24, 5:24 PM

I just need to wait for my grip to arrive!

BBob Bushman Yup, makes my warbrd seem poorly in comparison. At first i tested it out on mu ...

superbird1011•1/20/24, 5:24 PM

Hahah just another year wait :p

Bob BushmanOP•1/20/24, 5:26 PM

If I was i think I'd take a stab at a diy kit.
And I actually don't play any space games anymore.

superbird1011•1/20/24, 5:36 PM

Id like to give DIY-ing it a try out of a sheer curiousity and want to learn about making it myself, and maybe making a few customisations

Bob BushmanOP•1/20/24, 5:41 PM

Considering my current use case I should do a collective first

Ssuperbird1011 I’m impatient so i gave it a brief try with the F14 in dcs and OH my god

friedrich_thurston•1/21/24, 1:56 AM

So I'm 22 away right now and the anticipation is killing me. What's the biggest part of the "OH my god" moment when you started using it with the F14???

Ffriedrich_thurston So I'm 22 away right now and the anticipation is killing me. What's the biggest...

Sunshine•1/21/24, 2:36 AM

Try the P51 and stall the airplane and feel the control loading change

HPLsCat•1/21/24, 4:03 AM

The subtle things are really what make FFB special. In Heatblur modules, it's usually wing stall that grabs you. Not gaudy telemetry effects.

B34ker•1/21/24, 7:14 AM

I don't fly the F14, but the P-51D... firing up that engine and feeling the stick shake and come to life... it's a game changer.

Ffriedrich_thurston So I'm 22 away right now and the anticipation is killing me. What's the biggest...

superbird1011•1/21/24, 7:44 AM

Just instantly feeling CONNECTED to the plane, like it didnt just feel like a spring. And then the wing buffet in a turn and being able to actually turn without excessive G because i can feel where the limits for the plane are

Ffriedrich_thurston So I'm 22 away right now and the anticipation is killing me. What's the biggest...

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 9:09 AM

To me the biggest "aha" was trim.
With a spring stick you pull, guess at trim, release a little, guess again and release a little repeat.

With this you just put the stick where it needs be, trim. It stops fighting and the pressure just eases up, keep the stick where it's needed and when your trimmed it stays there.
No need for guessing, just one move and done.

BBob Bushman To me the biggest "aha" was trim. With a spring stick you pull, guess at trim, ...

Teeks•1/21/24, 10:32 AM

I have a clutch/spingless base for my stick, and the autohover modes with the apache are a nightmare compared to a normal spring with trimming ... how does the VPForce handle it?

BB34ker I don't fly the F14, but the P-51D... firing up that engine and feeling the stic...

Red Magic•1/21/24, 10:46 AM

Have you tried spins from high altitude?

TTeeks I have a clutch/spingless base for my stick, and the autohover modes with the ap...

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:11 AM

When you hold trim release, there are no spring forces acting on the stick, and when you release the trim release button that position of the stick becomes the new spring center. This helps immensely with flying as you can use the stick as if it is springless when maneuvering but trim and do something else when flying long distances.

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:12 AM

Attitude trim also allows me to get a 100% stable hover within max 1 minute of getting lower than 20kts airspeed, and just a few seconds when in the 10kts range

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:13 AM

Admittedly I am comparing a ~40cm extension to vkb gladiator so your improvements may vary

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 11:13 AM

Not very good with the apache, but basically that
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FFierce_Fire Admittedly I am comparing a ~40cm extension to vkb gladiator so your improvement...

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:14 AM

Note here that I made my own system with max motors, but you should get the same force with between 10 and 20cm additional extension, keep in mind the rhino feels like it has 10cm built in

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 11:15 AM

I don't feel the need for an extension, just wish it was 10cm closer

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:17 AM

Sounds like you need Virpil z extension or 3d print

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:17 AM

Benefit of my insane extension is it wraps around my chair so I don't need a cut out

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:18 AM

I do wanna try and reduce it a little bit, see what this monster can really do

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 11:18 AM

Was tempted to try the z extension, but so far gotten most of the way with just a cushion

FFierce_Fire When you hold trim release, there are no spring forces acting on the stick, and ...

Teeks•1/21/24, 11:47 AM

when it's 're-centred' as it were when you force trim, is there a way to have a small deadzone around the 'new' centre? I've found that when I force trim with my clutch-nospring Virpil CM3 base, the autohover mode on the apache just doesnt work. I think there are minute movements still being detected and it cant cancel them out or something

TTeeks when it's 're-centred' as it were when you force trim, is there a way to have a ...

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:50 AM

it has a small motor deadzone (the axis is fully functional, the spring force is just very light) out of the box, which is adjustable

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:51 AM

I will probably increase the force a little bit myself but with the rhino it might be different

Teeks•1/21/24, 11:52 AM

gotcha. Im something like #700 in the queue, so I'll find out myself at some point!

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:52 AM

have fun when you get it! itll be great

walmis•1/21/24, 12:22 PM

There's also adaptive recentering feature which tries to minimize error from the trim center

Ssuperbird1011 Just instantly feeling CONNECTED to the plane, like it didnt just feel like a sp...

friedrich_thurston•1/21/24, 12:43 PM

Thanks @adam1220.... that's all I needed to hear! @TorTorden... realistic trim would definitely take the realism up a few notches, thanks! Now what to do with the Mongoos. Didn't someone convert theirs into a collective?

Ffriedrich_thurston So I'm 22 away right now and the anticipation is killing me. What's the biggest...

Tinman•1/21/24, 1:38 PM

The trim and the engine rumble for sure. But for me, it was during a hectic moment defending an IR missile, fighting with the stick as I pull back, then the missile hits, the stick snaps violently, then dead stick. It was just amazing...

friedrich_thurston•1/21/24, 1:45 PM

@Tinman... that's just too cool, thanks! How violent is the stick movement? Enough to rip it out of your hands or just a significant jolt? I imagine that can be changed however you want it.

Tinman•1/21/24, 1:48 PM

I set the effects to be higher, you can definitely tune it to your liking. It rip off my hands and almost hit my leg. You really do want to set it up properly, or else them jewels be crushed... lol

YunacPL•1/21/24, 1:49 PM

Mine us still in transit i wonder how hot it gets I'm considering to mount it below my armchair and it will be closed box ...

YYunacPL Mine us still in transit i wonder how hot it gets I'm considering to mount it be...

Tinman•1/21/24, 1:52 PM

I've seen mine hit 50c, but it's fine. I've asked Walmis twice and he assured me its all good. Far from the limit and for our uses, shouldn't hit the limit.

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 2:11 PM

iirc 70 or 80 is closer to the limit so you're fine

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:25 PM

curious

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:25 PM

It might start loosing strength (gradually) at 70-80c, but actually harmful heat is even higher.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:25 PM

when ordering a rhino is there only 1 motor you choose from

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:25 PM

or does it let you pick which ones, for more or less strength etc

RRed Magic when ordering a rhino is there only 1 motor you choose from

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:26 PM

The rhino is a completed unit, you only get to choose options like throw limiters and adapters.

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:26 PM

The various motors are for diy kits

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:26 PM

ah i see

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:27 PM

looks like it has 11lbs at the base

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:27 PM

of force

Would likely want bracing to the floor anyway, put some force on it during use and it will cause a l

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