the warbirds do have the important stuff such as stall shakes and stiffening in airflow (although it

the warbirds do have the important stuff such as stall shakes and stiffening in airflow (although it saturates at quite low speeds)

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:43 PM

helicopters tend to have force trim which is great

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:43 PM

F-14 is awesome

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:43 PM

F-18 has nothing afaik

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

F-16 wierdly has a softer elevator axis, but nothing besides that

AAndyHill the warbirds do have the important stuff such as stall shakes and stiffening in ...

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

Does the stick get loose and slacken into the stall

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

yes

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

I was suprised how much the f16 had

AAndyHill yes

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:44 PM

Does the stick pin into your crotch in a spin?

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:45 PM

probably not, I'm too good to ever spin my aircraft so don't really know

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:45 PM

there is no elevator droop on the ground

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

Damn

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

Il-2 WW1 planes have that but WW2 planes don't

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

then again the WW1 planes have centering ailerons at 0ias

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

Well when the engine is running there should be a bit of centering but not a lot

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

not for ailerons though when on the ground

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:46 PM

the main point here is that there's very little consistency in native ffb

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:47 PM

ffb in flight sims has been completely neglegted for years, it's a wonder we have what we do

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:47 PM

Oh my last few questions were with Telem

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:48 PM

telem does have elevator droop, I think

AAndyHill ffb in flight sims has been completely neglegted for years, it's a wonder we hav...

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:48 PM

I think half of it is basically what they foegot to remove from the old days.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:48 PM

Stick moves with trimming?

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:48 PM

yes

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:48 PM

in some planes

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:48 PM

guH

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:49 PM

Does with most modules ive tried, and you can use the built in trim if it doesnt.

BBob Bushman Does with most modules ive tried, and you can use the built in trim if it doesnt...

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:49 PM

built in trim?

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:49 PM

is that different from regular trimming

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:50 PM

Yeah you can map trim buttons in the configurater and it would work by simply sending position input.

Bob Bushman•1/21/24, 2:50 PM

Kind of like hardware trim wheels of old.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:50 PM

oh i mean trim ingame

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:51 PM

like if I take my mouse and spin the wheel the stick moves

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:51 PM

planes with trim tabs have the trim feedback in the stick, the ones with adjustable stabilizer have different behavior

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:51 PM

well when you have airflow, obviously

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:51 PM

stabilizer shouldn't move the stick tbf

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:52 PM

One of the quirks of the German aircraft

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:52 PM

allied birds use the normal tabs tho that move surfaces

AndyHillOP•1/21/24, 2:57 PM

typically all warbirds (and some jets) have trim operation force done natively, telemffb is open source so technically you can make the stick shake when you get ghosted on tinder

sydost•1/21/24, 3:23 PM

@Red Magic It seems you are looking for very realistic FFB representation like many of us would like to have. Unfortunately we are not there yet at least not with DCS. The ingame FFB is made for the old weak FFB sticks like MSFFB2. What that means is that for example in P-51 you get completely loose stick on the runway and stiffening forces during takeoff but the maximun stiffness happens already at around 200mph as the old sticks didn’t have enough force to emulate stiffening forces any further. My understanding is that to have more realistic FFB there would need to be access to better telemetry data from DCS and then make the feedback profile and effects almost completely with telemFFB. Then we could have all the effects you (and many others) are looking for (realistic spin effects for pedals and stick etc).

sydost•1/21/24, 3:25 PM

But you seem to have good knowledge what kind of effects and forces there should be so I think you can help the guys to develop telemFFB further.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 3:26 PM

I think SRS is able to access in-cockpit animations and read/control them. A lot of flight envelope stuff can be probably well-enough inferred through a program just reading the cockpit

Red Magic•1/21/24, 3:26 PM

Programming is not something I'm anywhere approachable to though beyond digging around Luas and changing values that were already there

sydost•1/21/24, 3:38 PM

I don’t have any idea about programming either. I just have high hopes and some vague idea of how an aircraft should feel like. I think there is a bunch of talented guys doing the programming but it is good to also have someone telling what kind of forces / feel the pilot feels through the stick so these things could be programmed.

DuraCell•1/21/24, 3:42 PM

I wanna use my VP force base inverted as it is better suited to my seating, but how do I mount my Warthog joystick correctly then? ( do I need to invert adapter on base or something?