Mostly as a reoubleshooting option, also worth updating drivers for your mainboards usb controllers.

Mostly as a reoubleshooting option, also worth updating drivers for your mainboards usb controllers.

If still persisting I'd consider something like a bad cable or bad hub.

Mustang•1/21/24, 6:01 PM

Question about helo trim within DCS: My understanding of how it should work is that when I release the trim button it basically sets that stick position as the new center. What I'm experiencing is that the stick kinda sets that new center but then still pulls part way back towards the original center when I release the trimmer.

I've got instant trim set within DCS as recommended by the manual and have tried this with the Hind and Ka-50. Am I just misunderstanding how trim should work or is it a settings issue on my end?

MMustang Question about helo trim within DCS: My understanding of how it should work is t...

Number481•1/21/24, 6:03 PM

what you describe sounds like what happens when you have axis curves set in DCS. Curves+FFB don't get along.

NNumber481 what you describe sounds like what happens when you have axis curves set in DCS....

Mustang•1/21/24, 6:13 PM

Ah yeah that fixed it, thanks for your help! I'm so used to adding curves that I didn't even think about it being a problem.

Duchess ✈•1/21/24, 6:48 PM

Yeah, I have had to (and gladly) get rid of any curves within DCS.

AndyHill•1/21/24, 6:54 PM

luckily the rhino offers massive movement range, which should at least help with non-curved operation

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 7:16 PM

And you can map and scale these as you wish in configurator, and switch as needed with a few clicks.

JOSGEM•1/21/24, 8:22 PM

Hello, there is no way I can get TelemFFB to work, the only thing I get is the waiting for data message. I have reinstalled everything, deleted the registry key but it's still the same. I guess I'm missing something.In Il2 it works perfect.The issue is only in DCS

BBob Bushman Mostly as a reoubleshooting option, also worth updating drivers for your mainboa...

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:32 PM

I'd exclude that. It does not happen with any other device and I already did some intensive troubleshooting to find out I was using an insufficient power source for the USB. This one time the issue was the whole M/B USB went down for a second (so every USB peripheral got disconnected and reconnected). Every other one came back as available in DCS but the Rhino. So to my mind that says two things
1) problems with the USB subsystem in the m/b (drivers, chipset dying, w/e) BUT
2) notwithstanding that the Rhino doesn't seem to be able to come back alive (in DCS, because the system sees it alright) from a disconnect. So despite having a potential USB chain problem (chipset, drivers, cable, hub, power source you name it) the Rhino still refuses to resuscitate in DCS when it "plugs back in" eventually.

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:35 PM

I'ma dive in and give it another whirl, see if it happens again.

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 8:39 PM

As I've got a cat fond of chewing cables, I can attest a bad cable can indeed bring dowm the whole system as a safety precaution.

Cant recommended usb treeviewer more.
https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html
If anything drops out and reconnect it will be marked on the tree and has helped diagnose a few almost similar cases, but its a common synptom with a whole bucket of varying causes so can't just say "its x" guaranteed.

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:39 PM

No. I have just tried it. The Rhino and the VPC Rotor TCS plus are both connected to the same hub.

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:40 PM

with DCS running, if I unplug and re-plug the collective, it comes back for the system and DCS.

JJOSGEM Hello, there is no way I can get TelemFFB to work, the only thing I get is the w...

Number481•1/21/24, 8:40 PM

Assuming you have allowed TelemFFB to install the export script for you, Check the DCS logs to see if there is anything causing the script to fail.

It’s possible there’s a conflict with something else in your setup which is causing it to fail (and therefore not send any telemetry)

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:40 PM

when I unplug and plug back the Rhino, the system sees it ok but it stops existing for DCS

NNumber481 Assuming you have allowed TelemFFB to install the export script for you, Check t...

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:41 PM

hm, on this last test TelemFFB wasn't even running.

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:41 PM

but ok, let me have a look at it. Any keyword I might want to look for?

MMr. S hm, on this last test TelemFFB wasn't even running.

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 8:42 PM

He was responding to a completely different person

BBob Bushman He was responding to a completely different person 😅

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:42 PM

Ah I see that now. Sorry

MMr. S hm, on this last test TelemFFB wasn't even running.

Number481•1/21/24, 8:42 PM

That was a reply for @JOSGEM

MMr. S Ah I see that now. Sorry

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 8:43 PM

It happens.

Mr. S•1/21/24, 8:44 PM

but yeah, the log was a good idea nonetheless. In there I see


2024-01-21 20:38:04.857 INFO    APP (Main): Device unplugged: [USB] Rhino FFB DFU
2024-01-21 20:38:07.210 INFO    APP (Main): Device plugged: [USB] Rhino FFB DFU


2024-01-21 20:38:04.857 INFO    APP (Main): Device unplugged: [USB] Rhino FFB DFU
2024-01-21 20:38:07.210 INFO    APP (Main): Device plugged: [USB] Rhino FFB DFU

But still, no input in game even after it registers the reconnection.
Something to do with FFB maybe?

NNumber481 Assuming you have allowed TelemFFB to install the export script for you, Check t...

JOSGEM•1/21/24, 8:54 PM

Hello i don´t find any error relative to TelemFFB, and this is where i have the script of telemFFB

JJOSGEM Hello i don´t find any error relative to TelemFFB, and this is where i have the ...

Number481•1/21/24, 9:46 PM

Did TelemFFB automatically install the export script? (It should prompt you if it can’t find what it needs setup in the right locations when it starts).

Also, just for completeness of information…., DCS will not send any telemetry unless you load into a flight. It does not send anything while you are in the menu.

MMr. S but yeah, the log was a good idea nonetheless. In there I see ` 2024-01-21 20:38...

walmis•1/22/24, 6:52 AM

Can you send me the full DCS log?

Wwalmis Can you send me the full DCS log?

Mr. S•1/22/24, 8:48 AM

not that one but I can make it happen again by unplugging-plugging, it's pretty repeatable.
Just have to go through the day's work and I'll DM it to you in about 8hrs.

NNumber481 Did TelemFFB automatically install the export script? (It should prompt you if i...

JOSGEM•1/22/24, 3:15 PM

I remember that when I installed telemFBB it asked me to install the file. I have tried with DCS running without pausing with a mission in F14 several times and the waiting data message still does not change

JJOSGEM I remember that when I installed telemFBB it asked me to install the file. I hav...

Number481•1/22/24, 4:05 PM

if you see these messages in the TelemFFB log and you don't see any errors in the dcs log related to TelemFFB.lua, things are working on the TelemFFB side and the problem must be with DCS...

2024-01-22 10:28:51.665 - INFO - joystick - Starting DCS Telemetry Listener
2024-01-22 10:28:51.665 - INFO - joystick - Listening on UDP :34380

2024-01-22 10:28:51.665 - INFO - joystick - Starting DCS Telemetry Listener
2024-01-22 10:28:51.665 - INFO - joystick - Listening on UDP :34380

As a test, you can rename your current 'saved games' folder as a backup and then start DCS. It will create a new default saved games directory (which you can later delete and rename the original back).

After you have done this, start TelemFFB and it will install its export script into the new testing saved games directory.

Then test and see if the telemetry is working. If it does, then there is some conflict with one of the other dcs mods you are loading. There are several in your scripts folder I am not familiar with so I can't say how they may conflict or not.

NNumber481 if you see these messages in the TelemFFB log and you don't see any errors in th...

JOSGEM•1/22/24, 7:54 PM

HelloThank you very much in advance, i have done what you told me and again the same situation.It doesn´t work in DCS only.There are only two scripts in the carpet

mechsicko•1/23/24, 1:54 AM

New questions: I couldn't get my fan to turn on from either socket when in the debug menu. I tested for voltage there with them on there and got 19.8vdc, which is what my psu is putting out. Aren't those supposed to be 12v?

Also, has there been any progress on being able to set a curve for our fans? Would be nice feature if it ever happens

hariskut•1/23/24, 3:27 AM

@walmis I found that the maximum current the motor reaches on the software is about 25A. At this point, if multiplied by the voltage of 24V, it results in a power of 600W, which far exceeds the rated power of the PSU. So, I am a bit confused. Is the 25A displayed in the software the actual current?

Hhariskut @walmis I found that the maximum current the motor reaches on the software is ab...

walmis•1/23/24, 5:13 AM

No that's the current inside the motor windings, the current drawn from the supply is named 'Ibus'

Mmechsicko New questions: I couldn't get my fan to turn on from either socket when in the d...

walmis•1/23/24, 10:10 AM

Yeah, you are correct, under no load I get PSU voltage too on the fan output, but with a fan connected I've measured 12.7V.

Wwalmis Yeah, you are correct, under no load I get PSU voltage too on the fan output, bu...

mechsicko•1/23/24, 7:25 PM

Any idea why I can't get the fan to come on? I'm using the 'test fans' function in debug. To rule out variables I bench tested a new fan and it works fine but when plugged into the socket no go. I'm only using 1 fan, is that a problem?

Mmechsicko Any idea why I can't get the fan to come on? I'm using the 'test fans' function ...

walmis•1/23/24, 7:37 PM

Can you measure the fan port when you cold power-on the board? If it has voltage that would indicate the transistor is busted (failed short)

mechsicko•1/23/24, 7:45 PM

By cold power on do you mean connect the psu w/out the usb?

walmis•1/23/24, 7:54 PM

I mean power+usb, but without enabling the fans via software

mechsicko•1/23/24, 7:59 PM

No voltage when fans aren't on in software. Once on in configurator it goes up to psu voltage. Not sure if it means anything but when I turn it back off it took around 1 minute to creep back to zero

walmis•1/23/24, 8:02 PM

That's strange - can you try powering the board and fans from 12V?

mechsicko•1/23/24, 8:53 PM

Hooked my benchtop psu to it, set to 12v same result regarding fan voltage following psu. To that end I twiddled the dial on my psu and watched the voltage on the fans go up/down with it. Turned off and same slow countdown to zero

As to my fans not running in the first place I've solved that, the prefab pigtail leads I bought were wired reverse from Rhino board. Swapped crimp pin locations now both sockets turn on/off as they're supposed to, but until the voltage thing is solved don't want magic smoke to come out these fans so not using them

mechsicko•1/23/24, 9:32 PM

Great.. turning my benchtop psu up to running voltage I made it to 18v before the board beeped, usb lights went out/disconnected. Disconnected everything but now when I plug in usb nothing happens except the main chip gets hot.

Nothing looks out of place on the board under magnification. When I plug in its psu the motors light up but not the board.

slowmover•1/24/24, 10:51 AM

Hey mates. I downloaed the stable (master) verzion cause i do not want to use the python. when i open the app i do not see any data. Any help here?

slowmover•1/24/24, 10:53 AM

I have to download python 3.9 to work even if i am not going to use it?

slowmover•1/24/24, 11:29 AM

well i would like some help how i instaill it

Sunshine•1/24/24, 11:37 AM

If it requires Python, install Python

slowmover•1/24/24, 11:37 AM

i did it

Sslowmover Hey mates. I downloaed the stable (master) verzion cause i do not want to use th...

Number481•1/24/24, 12:02 PM

not sure where you got that impression? Download the latest 'WiP' version from the latest github auto-posts or the pinned link in #VPforce-TelemFFB, also linked in the Github readme https://github.com/walmis/VPforce-TelemFFB?tab=readme-ov-file#installing-and-running-exe-distribution

slowmover•1/24/24, 12:12 PM

So i should have
1-https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/1199070855414681760
2-https://vpforcecontrols.com/downloads/TelemFFB/?C=M;O=A
3-python

Number481•1/24/24, 12:13 PM

you dont need python

slowmover•1/24/24, 12:31 PM

Thanks mate

slowmover•1/24/24, 12:32 PM

Looking Good

Mostly as a reoubleshooting option, also worth updating drivers for your mainboards usb controllers.

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