@Number481 You are taking the question as an accusation. Please don't. I don't understand how Python

@Number481 You are taking the question as an accusation. Please don't. I don't understand how Python works completely, but do understand rather high level access is granted to the applications. Inadvertently a problem could be introduced by using pre infected code without intent. @TorTorden I can guarantee I never used it because I needed to download it to start using Telem. Again there are no accusations being made at anyone and I fully appreciate the efforts of @Number481 and all other contributors.

smitty•1/30/24, 1:29 PM

you can download the exe of TelemFFB so you dont need Python on your pc.

Bob Bushman•1/30/24, 1:29 PM

I can absolutely see how those big warnings from the os are scary, they are designed to be.
But mostly they just trip cause someone hasn't paid them the licensing fee.

You don't need 'python' to run Telemffb, you download the exe and run it like any other program

Ssmitty you can download the exe of TelemFFB so you dont need Python on your pc.

JakeSixx33 | 744 |OP•1/30/24, 1:29 PM

that has python embedded

Bob Bushman•1/30/24, 1:30 PM

Like so many other applications, most you don't even know.

JJakeSixx33 | 744 |that has python embedded

smitty•1/30/24, 1:37 PM

..which will only run the compiled code included, and was made on a pc that does not have infected libraries.

like the article says, you'd have to go out of your way to install weird libraries yourself and write your own python code for this to be an issue

Number481•1/30/24, 1:37 PM

If you are truly concerned about the TelemFFB executable in general, you can research the libraries which are used that actually come from pypi.. they are all listed in the requirements.txt file in the repository.

pyqt5pyqt5
- Used for the GUI interface
configobjconfigobj
- Used for managing configuration files in a structured way
pysimconnect @ https://github.com/walmis/pysimconnect/archive/refs/heads/master.zippysimconnect @ https://github.com/walmis/pysimconnect/archive/refs/heads/master.zip
- Used for communication with MSFS
traceback_with_variablestraceback_with_variables
- Used for printing useful information when errors occur
libusb1libusb1
- Used for interfacing with the Rhino
pygetwindowpygetwindow
- Used for dealing with weird FFB effect behavior when IL-2 loses window focus
requestsrequests
- Used for HTTP communications to the build server to find/get latest version info
  Every thing else that is used in the code is part of the standard python distribution.

AndyHill•1/30/24, 2:21 PM

python is one of if not the most popular programming language today

JJakeSixx33 | 744 |@Number481 You are taking the question as an accusation. Please don't. I don't u...

Fierce_Fire•1/30/24, 3:56 PM

Python is a widely used programming language that can use packets of other's code very easy, which is why most use it as they don't have to write that stuff themselves. I can guarantee some program you once used was made using python, you just never saw that.

NNumber481 https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/120150723906...

ddrake1984•1/30/24, 8:19 PM

Ah thanks, are there any other converters that could work? Signed cert is ideal, but this is open source after all

Number481•1/30/24, 8:27 PM

There are other "code freezing" utilities that can generate an exe similar to pyinstaller.. but afaik, they all have the same issue to one degree or another and I dont think any others are as flexible as pyinstaller is.

While a signed cert would remove the need for people to add an exception to their AV, it really amounts to the same thing. Just because a program is signed, doesn't mean its safe. It just means the author says its safe. Adding an exception to the install folder will cause the AV to ignore the folder.. i guess similar to how it would if it was signed. But then I am not a real application developer, so that could be partially or completely inaccurate.

Number481•1/30/24, 8:28 PM

There should be a new version of TelemFFB soon that hopefully will generate an exe that doesn't get flagged.. and then we can wait until the next time it happens to have all these conversations again

ddrake1984•1/30/24, 8:29 PM

Is the code verified by other members before it is published? Just wondering if an extra pair of eyes could glance the code to ensure there is nothing suspicious? I am not a coder either, and am cautious about running an executable that isnt properly verified

Dddrake1984 Is the code verified by other members before it is published? Just wondering if ...

Number481•1/30/24, 8:33 PM

Its not, no.. The only assurance I can give is that I wouldn't know how to write a virus even if I wanted to

Stains•1/30/24, 10:19 PM

If my joystick is mining Dogecoins, at least give me a cut!

SStains If my joystick is mining Dogecoins, at least give me a cut!

aniron•1/31/24, 12:24 PM

Once Rhino #0481 has been shipped, Number481 will activate the malicious code and all of them will proceed to whack... ^^

https://youtu.be/LCm1Q8cK4l0?si=VFD3UvQLcvZOOIjG

YouTubeMichael Holmes

*Whack* fuck

Aaniron Once Rhino #0481 has been shipped, Number481 will activate the malicious code an...

MashedPotato•1/31/24, 2:40 PM

I hope one day the software, or DCS is able to actually replicate this. Seeing the stick move when your (co)pilot moves it would be sick

GGadroc The little silver nub… it slips into one of two holes on the grip for either str...

Stranger•1/31/24, 10:04 PM

Samme issue as this person, my VKB adapter did not fit my VKB grips. I fixed it by taking out the screw, using a couple of nuts to hold it in the chuck of a drill, and then a file to grind off the bottom 3.7 mm of the thread. Now I only need to fabricate a mount for the Rhino..

Guicans•2/1/24, 6:53 AM

Anyone knows what is happening here ? Few days ago everything was right. @walmis

Guicans•2/1/24, 6:55 AM

have checked all connectors and plugs, also tried reset config button. Motors still can't wake

GGuicans Anyone knows what is happening here ? Few days ago everything was right. @walmis

walmis•2/1/24, 7:15 AM

This looks like the @Mackyip issue he DM'd me

Lei•2/1/24, 5:49 PM

Just got the base, but could not figure out how to mount the winwing grip. Am i missing something in the box?

Lei•2/1/24, 5:50 PM

MashedPotato•2/1/24, 6:01 PM

Winwing grips require an adapter to both reverse the threading and change from 5 pin to 6 pin. WW is not out of the box compatible with the TM system that Rhino is based on

Lei•2/1/24, 6:03 PM

I was under the impression it supports Winwing

where can I get the adapter?

LLei I was under the impression it supports Winwing 😦 where can I get the adapter?

Fr4Ged•2/1/24, 6:17 PM

http://order.vpforce.eu/
it is even pointed out in the order form that only Virpil and TM sticks can be connected directly.
you can order the WW adapter there as well

Google Docs

VPforce Order Request

Order request for VPforce products.
Please note: to reserve a VPforce RHINO FFB base, please use reservation form here.

Once the order is ready to be fulfilled an invoice will be sent to the provided email address.

Lei•2/1/24, 6:41 PM

Thanks. I somehow remember when i pre-ordered it there was an option to select which grip i would use and it had Winwing as an option. Did not look very closely with the actual order form though… too excited that it was my turn….

Lei•2/1/24, 7:30 PM

I think this maybe a bit confusing in the preorder form which led me to expect the adapter would come with the base if I selected this option

Bob Bushman•2/1/24, 7:35 PM

That's what I figured as well, but I didn't actually need any optionals

LLei I think this maybe a bit confusing in the preorder form which led me to expect t...

walmis•2/1/24, 7:49 PM

Yeah, that's the preliminary selection so we can know the demand of given accessories. You need to select necessary accessories in the final order form.
But no worries, you can make another order for the adapter.

Wwalmis Yeah, that's the preliminary selection so we can know the demand of given access...

Lei•2/1/24, 7:51 PM

Thx for the clarification, just sent another order form. Hopefully not 6month waiting time though:)

LLei Thx for the clarification, just sent another order form. Hopefully not 6month wa...

Icebeat•2/1/24, 10:56 PM

only two weeks, maybe you could ask to walmis to use the ups express but it will cost far more

RAFFT•2/1/24, 11:36 PM

is there any way to but a stop on the base to not allow it to go in farther forward. Just got the MIP from WinWing and the stick gose so far forward that I hit the MIP

IIcebeat only two weeks, maybe you could ask to walmis to use the ups express but it will...

Carlos NO2•2/1/24, 11:48 PM

lol if I was him I’d get or split together an adapter cable and duct tape that sucker on somehow with a piece of PVC or something in the meantime lmao

RRAFFT is there any way to but a stop on the base to not allow it to go in farther forw...

Number481•2/1/24, 11:54 PM

You can experiment with the software Endstops feature in configurator, or, if you have access to a 3d printer, you can print off hardware throw limiters of any range: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1092338475795238962 (or you can order a set from walmis)

RAFFT•2/1/24, 11:57 PM

thanks that will help

plehmann•2/2/24, 2:23 AM

Finally rejigged the 'pit and rotated the rhino with the cut off switch way from me ( rather than tucked under the seat!) but with the extension I have it is obviously reversed. so... I thought, lets rotate the Rhino ' thrustmaster' connector round by 180... I'm a bit wary as there did not appear to be much slack in the cabling - so put it back together and asking here.

plehmann•2/2/24, 2:23 AM

TLDR- can I swap the rhino joysitck connecter 180 and is there enough cable to pull it out to do so ?

Pplehmann Finally rejigged the 'pit and rotated the rhino with the cut off switch way from...

Number481•2/2/24, 3:26 AM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/972180323787997255/1100787013864669254 just unscrew the boot and you'll find plenty of cable to feed into the tube so that you can rotate the plug

RRAFFT is there any way to but a stop on the base to not allow it to go in farther forw...

mechsicko•2/2/24, 4:49 AM

You can print/have printed a throw limiter that goes over the opening the shaft comes out under the boot https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1092338475795238962/1092338475795238962

NNumber481 https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/972180323787997255/1100787013864...

plehmann•2/2/24, 5:23 AM

Out of the tube do you mean ? As in OUT of the base of the rhino screw base.. undo the 2 silver screws holding the 'PS2 ' connector and pull ...and there should be enough cable in there to rotate.

Pplehmann Out of the tube do you mean ? As in OUT of the base of the rhino screw base.. un...

walmis•2/2/24, 5:43 AM

One caveat is that you might need to lift the leather cover and feed in some cable to the tube.

plehmann•2/2/24, 9:24 AM

Ok...noted and thx for reply

plehmann•2/2/24, 9:24 AM

CCarlos NO2 lol if I was him I’d get or split together an adapter cable and duct tape that s...

Lei•2/2/24, 11:32 AM

luckily I am sucked in by some other games at the moment otherwise I would take on your suggestions. (But it seems the adapter is already being shipped out, so maybe not another two weeks waiting time)

Str][ker•2/3/24, 12:19 AM

Has anyone run into issues where the Rhino imparts a nose up or strong roll which can’t be cleared? This has happened to me a few times in the Hornet and Strike Eagle. It’s not constant but occasional. I was using the Telem FFB program as well at the time but exiting from that didn’t fix the issue. I probably have something set incorrectly and thought I’d ask here. Thanks!

SStr][ker Has anyone run into issues where the Rhino imparts a nose up or strong roll whic...

Tinman•2/3/24, 2:33 AM

Happened to me a few times. It's usually triggered when fiddling with the trim.

TTinman Happened to me a few times. It's usually triggered when fiddling with the trim.

Str][ker•2/3/24, 2:56 AM

Yes, that's it! It gets very wonky. I managed to land a couple of times this has happened and also had to just exit and then restart the mission (sucks)

Tinman•2/3/24, 2:57 AM

Haha, I literally crashed the one time, the other I hit the "zero" wire.

BSpars•2/3/24, 4:42 PM

May I speak with a dev about my Rhino shipment? The address was incorrectly put on my Fedex label and Fedex is telling me only the shipper can change it. My package has been in a sorting facility limbo for a week.

BBSpars May I speak with a dev about my Rhino shipment? The address was incorrectly put ...

FlatSpin•2/3/24, 4:44 PM

dm @walmis

@Number481 You are taking the question as an accusation. Please don't. I don't understand how Python

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