Cloudflare Developers•2y ago

Pages doesn't use Wrangler.toml.

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:39 AM

Only Workers specify bindings via Wrangler.toml

Kkian Production/Preview looks like Pages.

x03•3/13/24, 5:40 AM

oh, how do I use KV with pages then?

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:40 AM

As you already have, add it in the dashboard

x03•3/13/24, 5:40 AM

interesting, what about dev testing?

x03•3/13/24, 5:41 AM

is there any way to access a dev kv when running on dev server

Kkian Pages doesn't use Wrangler.toml.

x03•3/13/24, 5:43 AM

I followed a setup which was specifically made for SvelteKit, and it auto generated a wrangler.toml file. Are you sure that SvelteKit does not use workers?

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:44 AM

Svelte has several adapters.

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:44 AM

One is Pages, one is Workers.

x03•3/13/24, 5:44 AM

I use the normal cloudflare adapter

x03•3/13/24, 5:44 AM

I assume that's for pages

x03•3/13/24, 5:45 AM

but does that not integrate workers as well? automatically

x03•3/13/24, 5:45 AM

my assumption was that the adapter abstracted your backend code into workers

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:46 AM

It will turn them into Pages Functions, which uses Workers under the hood but isn't exactly the same.

x03•3/13/24, 5:46 AM

Wow that's confusing. But why did the pages setup command that I used make a wrangler.toml file if it isnt supported?

x03•3/13/24, 5:47 AM

npm create cloudflare@latest my-svelte-app -- --framework=sveltenpm create cloudflare@latest my-svelte-app -- --framework=svelte

x03•3/13/24, 5:47 AM

was the command I used

x03•3/13/24, 5:47 AM

and I specifically chose the "Webpage/Website" option, which I assume targets pages

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:47 AM

wrangler pages devwrangler pages dev (which is an entirely local emulation) will use Wrangler.toml, but it isn't taken into consideration when building or deploying your site.

Kkian `wrangler pages dev` (which is an entirely local emulation) will use Wrangler.to...

x03•3/13/24, 5:48 AM

What would the wrangler.toml file even be used for then? Since its strictly local

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:48 AM

For wrangler pages devwrangler pages dev

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:49 AM

Defining bindings, pretty much

x03•3/13/24, 5:49 AM

And is it possible to connect and access databases for development testing?

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:49 AM

Your live databases? No

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:49 AM

All bindings with pages devpages dev are just an emulation, stored locally.

x03•3/13/24, 5:49 AM

why does it ask for an ID field then? is it useless

x03•3/13/24, 5:50 AM

That functionality confused me so much, I tried connecting my dev server to an actual live KV database for an hour

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:51 AM

It's pretty much just a dummy value.

Kkian It's pretty much just a dummy value.

x03•3/13/24, 5:52 AM

Ok I appreciate the explanation. Does R2 and D1 work similarly?

x03•3/13/24, 5:53 AM

I haven't tried to set those up yet, but am planning to

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:55 AM

Yep

x03•3/13/24, 5:56 AM

Alright, thanks

kianOP•3/13/24, 5:56 AM

id = "abc"

id = "abc"

and

id = "cba"

id = "cba"

will be different namespaces locally, but they don't have to be the same as an actual ID.

Kkian `id = "abc"` and `id = "cba"` will be different namespaces locally, but they don...

x03•3/13/24, 5:56 AM

Thanks for clarifying, this makes sense now.

x03•3/13/24, 6:02 AM

@kian one last question, does the preview option even matter for pages?

x03•3/13/24, 6:02 AM

Would it be used if I have a dev branch set up or something?

x03•3/13/24, 6:04 AM

Ohh I see now, so any non-main branch that's deployed will use those. Got it

anirudh•3/15/24, 4:42 AM

I have a use case like the following - we have a language learning app and users can tap on any word and listen to how its pronounced. We are using Google Text to Speech API for this. To save costs, we want to cache the response from the API. These are mostly short audio of one or two words. Would KV be a good fit for this compared to CF Cache API?

Aanirudh I have a use case like the following - we have a language learning app and users...

Matt Silverlock•3/15/24, 2:14 PM

It really depends - the Cache API is best effort. There is no guarantee that — especially low frequency requests — stay in cache for long. KV is persistent, or persistent up until the

ttl

ttl

you set if you want an expiring key.

anirudh•3/15/24, 3:58 PM

Ok got it. Thanks

Bobakanoosh•3/16/24, 12:09 AM

Is it inadvisable to cache entire static + dynamic html pages via KV? I want to edge cache these pages so they’re closer to the user, and then the backend isn’t hit per request.

Right now I have a proxy worker which adds the page to KV before returning it, or returns the one stored in KV if it exists. I know when the dynamic content changes, so I was planning on using the KV API to clear those keys from cache when they update.

James•3/16/24, 12:39 AM

That seems perfectly fine to me. Pages stores assets in KV too, as does the previous Workers Sites and it works really well.

Bobakanoosh•3/16/24, 1:25 AM

thanks for the response! follow up question, does a KV delete request only count if a matching key is found?

realizing I have a lot of dynamic page updates per month and would probably put me way past the 1m included quota

BBobakanoosh thanks for the response! follow up question, does a KV delete request only count...

Isaac McFadyen•3/16/24, 1:58 AM

Delete counts regardless (consistent with other KV providers, because it's still CPU/load the on the providers' servers and so they need to charge you)

Bobakanoosh•3/16/24, 2:01 AM

Makes sense just hoped it wasn’t the case haha

MMatt Silverlock It really depends - the Cache API is best effort. There is no guarantee that — e...

anirudh•3/16/24, 2:20 PM

Are cached KV values in local DCs evicted earlier than the specified TTL if they are infrequently read?

Aanirudh Are cached KV values in local DCs evicted earlier than the specified TTL if they...

Matt Silverlock•3/16/24, 2:21 PM

The TTL is not for the cache. It’s for the key-value pair itself (after which it is deleted).

anirudh•3/16/24, 2:29 PM

Yes I’m aware, but in the docs its says that values are stored in central servers and then cached in regional tiers and finally in local DCs closest to the workers. I was asking about the eviction behavior of these caches.

Aanirudh Yes I’m aware, but in the docs its says that values are stored in central server...