I find it strange there's no emergency stop switch on that machine, that kind of forces can cause qu

I find it strange there's no emergency stop switch on that machine, that kind of forces can cause quite some damage/injury if configured wrong and the game sends some high amplitude effects.

Wwalmis I find it strange there's no emergency stop switch on that machine, that kind of...

PiNKSH!T•3/19/24, 10:48 AM

yeah good observation! that's pretty crazy not having any sort of emergency stop.

PiNKSH!T•3/19/24, 10:49 AM

out of curiosity how strong would the largest of the VPforce motors be in a Rhino like config?

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 10:50 AM

Seems to have an on/off button i guess.

But yeah slap switch, or for this even a kick switch you can trigger with a foot would be a better idea.

PPiNKSH!T out of curiosity how strong would the largest of the VPforce motors be in a Rhin...

walmisOP•3/19/24, 10:52 AM

I guesstimate about 30ish Nm with the Rhino gearing

Wwalmis I guesstimate about 30ish Nm with the Rhino gearing

PiNKSH!T•3/19/24, 10:54 AM

ahh ok, how many kg's would that be?

Number481•3/19/24, 10:54 AM

It probably should have a dead man switch!.. if something does go badly, you wouldn't be in any condition to intentionally hit any manual switch..

Brings a whole new level to Whack F*ck

PiNKSH!T•3/19/24, 10:55 AM

just trying to get an idea compared to that other one

PiNKSH!T•3/19/24, 10:55 AM

it was ~15kg

PPiNKSH!T it was ~15kg

walmisOP•3/19/24, 11:01 AM

depends on the lever length. 30Nm at meter lever - 3kg, half meter - 6kg

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 11:07 AM

You'd have to mount it inside the floor to make decent use of a 1m extension.

Then again with the forces in question, you might want to do just that...

AndyHill•3/19/24, 11:09 AM

how much force can the grips and connectors actually take?

AndyHill•3/19/24, 11:23 AM

btw what would 15kg at grip connector mean in watts?

Fierce_Fire•3/19/24, 1:38 PM

Watts is a measure of energy over time, 15kg is an unchanging force

Fierce_Fire•3/19/24, 1:38 PM

Same as Nm > N at stick is dependent on length

Fierce_Fire•3/19/24, 1:39 PM

If you mean what the motor would pull it'd again be dependent on the length

AndyHill•3/19/24, 1:58 PM

the motor has to constantly work against the pull

AndyHill•3/19/24, 1:59 PM

and it's going to be a ballpark figure anyway, but I'm thinking those motors will need to dissipate quite a bit of heat to keep going for any length of time

walmisOP•3/19/24, 2:32 PM

NOTICE Due to ISP problems, @VPforceBot will be offline for a bit

Stryker990•3/19/24, 2:40 PM

Nooo how will now know that im ~90 rhinos away from getting my own oh the humanity

BBoo Berry Does anyone know if the rhino works with War Thunder force feedback?

Fresh_Mint•3/19/24, 2:46 PM

It works but weirdly. In my case, spring force is too weak regardless of the gain value set by the vpforce configurator and timing of occuring buffeting is weird

AAndyHill and it's going to be a ballpark figure anyway, but I'm thinking those motors wil...

Fierce_Fire•3/19/24, 4:25 PM

I'd say look at max power rating, 15kg would be around there anyways

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:23 PM

is the Rhino just as smooth at low force settings?

MashedPotato•3/19/24, 5:32 PM

The Rhino is smooth as hell at any force setting

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:32 PM

Only time it doesn't feel smooth, and i mean smoooth, is when its not powered up.

MashedPotato•3/19/24, 5:32 PM

Yeah, if you move it around without power, it's a little crunchy lol

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:33 PM

Power it up and it makes my otherwise amazing virpil gimbals feel like a bucket of bolts and nuts.

BBob Bushman Only time it doesn't feel smooth, and i mean *smoooth*, is when its not powered ...

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:46 PM

this is why I ask about low force setting smoothness -- whether some of the graininess returns?

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:46 PM

The anti cogging is seperate from the counter force, so even completely loose its all smooth.

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:48 PM

You can almost feel more resistance without the motors powered than if you say dial spring down to 0%.

BBob Bushman The anti cogging is seperate from the counter force, so even completely loose it...

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:50 PM

sounds delicious, can't wait to try. thanks

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:51 PM

Getting the rhino was almost as big of a leap as going to VR

BBob Bushman Power it up and it makes my otherwise amazing virpil gimbals feel like a bucket ...

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:51 PM

virpil gimbals are great, but somehow they have lost out to vkb and winwing in my setup.

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:52 PM

well the WW Super Libra does have some Virpil DNA in the way I have modded it, namely Virpil's no center cams. With the WW Clutch, that one to date remains "the smoothest" I have

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:52 PM

Never tried vkb, and got virpils early, good enough until I found something truly new. Do have a WW throttle.

BBob Bushman Getting the rhino was almost as big of a leap as going to VR

Red Magic•3/19/24, 5:53 PM

bigger for me. More than twice as expensive

BBob Bushman Never tried vkb, and got virpils early, good enough until I found something trul...

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:53 PM

"got virpils early" means you don't have any gimbals with clutch, right?

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:53 PM

yup

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:53 PM

first run t50 and warbrd

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:53 PM

okay thanks. that puts some perspective on the comment.

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:54 PM

got them in like 2017

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:54 PM

"smooth" for me means both a no center bump and a lack of felt axis crossing

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:54 PM

warbrd does achieve that, but is very "springy"

Bob Bushman•3/19/24, 5:55 PM

So sure they are "old" but never felt like it would be worth to spend another $500 for a slightly updated unit

BBob Bushman So sure they are "old" but never felt like it would be worth to spend another $5...

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:55 PM

nyogel + clutch does add to the "smoothness" feel considerably to the cam and springs gimbals in my experience.

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 5:56 PM

@MashedPotato which bases are you comparing the Rhino to when you name it to be "smooth"?

SSpelljammer1 @MashedPotato which bases are you comparing the Rhino to when you name it to be ...

MashedPotato•3/19/24, 6:01 PM

I've used Virpil WarBRD and CM3 (currently still own both, use each for other stuff); have owned VKB GF Mk3s; have owned X-52 pro; have owned TM T16k. Have used: Virpil CM2, VKB Gladiator, X56, TMWH, TB VOne

MashedPotato•3/19/24, 6:02 PM

I've spent a LOT of money trying to find the right "fit" in sim gear lol. Rhino is the best I've ever used, both for its customizability, and the nature of FFB. Only recently got in to sim racing, and knew that I had to go straight to DD, because the Rhino has ruined me for imitations lol

MMashedPotato I've spent a LOT of money trying to find the right "fit" in sim gear lol. Rhino ...

Spelljammer1•3/19/24, 6:03 PM

haha I know that feeling once you upgrade of not being able to go back

SSpelljammer1 "smooth" for me means both a no center bump and a lack of felt axis crossing

Fierce_Fire•3/19/24, 6:04 PM

Rest assured, there's none of that with the rhino

SSpelljammer1 "smooth" for me means both a no center bump and a lack of felt axis crossing

MashedPotato•3/19/24, 6:06 PM

Yeah, the axes are completely independant in the rhino, you can add a center bump in software, but you definitely don't have one by default. You can also set it up to be linear (and customize the curve), or truly non-linear. IME, even "non-linear" gimbals that use springs still have a force curve

I find it strange there's no emergency stop switch on that machine, that kind of forces can cause qu

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