Cloudflare Developers•2y ago

they dont respect privacy, period.

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:38 PM

as if amazon respects your privacy any more :KEKW:

AAlex they dont respect privacy, period.

RAGman•3/26/24, 6:38 PM

Agreed. You'd have more privacy putting a webcam in your shower.

AlexOP•3/26/24, 6:39 PM

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:39 PM

also its not gce its gcp

AlexOP•3/26/24, 6:40 PM

The thing with R2 is, I have sees many posts on cloudflare forum with people migrated from amazon to cloudflare r2 and they regreted it. lots of issues. if cloudflare wants to have an s3 offering, it should compete with amazon

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:40 PM

it is competing with amazon :LUL:

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:41 PM

Maybe it is but its still competing regardless

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:41 PM

Not unusable for me

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:42 PM

I mean 90% of the people here dont actually need that scale

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:43 PM

Maybe there would be more sure but regardless the people who need many thousands of rps is the minority

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:44 PM

Actually I would argue they would not want to switch the most because the cost of people is more

Chaika•3/26/24, 6:44 PM

There's lots of big companies using R2 like Maxmind, Vercel, nexusmods, etc, depends on your usage too. Although I think most of those are people who are just doing a lot of cached downloads

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:45 PM

Companies like money which is exactly why they wouldnt switch because it costs them way more in people than what it would save them

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:45 PM

youre not gonna migrate something like netflix from using aws to cloudflare overnight

AlexOP•3/26/24, 6:46 PM

netflix WOULD use r2 if they saved them tons of money. that's the point. cloudflare should have a product to attract those kind of customers

Chaika•3/26/24, 6:47 PM

netflix wouldn't ever use r2, they have their own cache boxes at ISPs and IX's, etc, they need really really inexpensive storage

CChaika netflix wouldn't ever use r2, they have their own cache boxes at ISPs and IX's, ...

AlexOP•3/26/24, 6:48 PM

ah, I thought they used s3

Chaika•3/26/24, 6:48 PM

I think they do use a mix or fallback to s3 for some stuff according to Google, but the vast majority is cache boxes and such

Chaika•3/26/24, 6:49 PM

I haven't seen netflix use anything but IX/ISP cache boxes, iirc not all shows at there though

Chaika•3/26/24, 6:49 PM

R2 would also need replication lol

Chaika•3/26/24, 6:50 PM

eh it's got cached throughput, for their use it might be fine in that aspect

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:50 PM

Companies of that caliber wont choose cloudflare like that just because its cheap, theres a reason netflix uses AWS its because they have thousands of services they can use.

Unsmart•3/26/24, 6:50 PM

No one does that realistically

AAlex they dont respect privacy, period.

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 6:53 PM

Just an FYI - if they looked at things in customers' buckets then they'd be sued many times over by now, including by enterprise customers and likely some governments too.

IIsaac McFadyen Just an FYI - if they looked at things in customers' buckets then they'd be sued...

rob•3/26/24, 6:54 PM

yeah agreed, i can't see that being whats happening

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rob•3/26/24, 6:54 PM

hahhaa yea

AlexOP•3/26/24, 6:58 PM

or use zero-knowledge storage, or encrypt before uploading

IIsaac McFadyen Just an FYI - if they looked at things in customers' buckets then they'd be sued...

AlexOP•3/26/24, 6:59 PM

yes. but if it's not a zero-knowledge storage, you have absolutely no way to know if the little technician from google or any other storage decides to take a look at your files.

AlexOP•3/26/24, 7:00 PM

Dropbox too

AAlex yes. but if it's not a zero-knowledge storage, you have absolutely no way to kno...

RAGman•3/26/24, 7:02 PM

would love to implement this for browser use...any tips?

RRAGman would love to implement this for browser use...any tips?

AlexOP•3/26/24, 7:03 PM

StorJ offers that

AlexOP•3/26/24, 7:04 PM

storJ is absolutely stellar, except for speed

AAlex yes. but if it's not a zero-knowledge storage, you have absolutely no way to kno...

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 7:06 PM

Yes, except that you can (and should) encrypt stored objects.

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 7:07 PM

R2 does this automatically, as does GCS, but you can provide your own key on GCS.

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Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 7:08 PM

You, if you upload your own keys at GetObject time.

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 7:08 PM

Regardless, this probably isn't a very productive discussion :lul:

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 7:09 PM

Cloudflare definitely does not inspect R2 objects. It's up to you to trust that, but given if it leaked that they'd be immediately sued by enterprise customers using R2 (and likely destroyed as a company) then it's pretty much a given that they don't

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 7:09 PM

Of course, if you don't trust that then you don't need to use R2

Chaika•3/26/24, 7:10 PM

I can tell you without a doubt Cloudflare does not look at your GCS objects. Does that help?

MattIPv4•3/26/24, 7:12 PM

:oki: I hope you own multiple physical buildings then so you can keep redundant local backups of stuff if you're not using online services to store it

MattIPv4•3/26/24, 7:13 PM

Wonderful

MattIPv4•3/26/24, 7:13 PM

Also, given you're so worried about folks inspecting stuff, I should make you aware that you're using Discord currently, and they are absolutely feeding your messages into AI

MattIPv4•3/26/24, 7:14 PM

That it is

MattIPv4•3/26/24, 7:17 PM

Lab coat, ladder and high-vis, the three horsemen of getting into places you shouldn't be

MattIPv4•3/26/24, 7:17 PM

Anyway, I do fear this convo has veered rather off-topic for this channel

AlexOP•3/26/24, 8:42 PM

I'm not even sure that the problem is rate limiting here. this is the error that we get from the API

AlexOP•3/26/24, 8:42 PM

Remote Storage: Failed to upload listings/06-2020//**.webp with error: Error executing "PutObject" on "https://*************.eu.r2.cloudflarestorage.com/listings/06-2020/******/**********.webp"; AWS HTTP error: Server error: PUT https://**********.eu.r2.cloudflarestorage.com/listings/06-2020/******/***************.webp resulted in a 500 Internal Server Error response:
InternalErrorWe encountered an internal error. Please (truncated...) InternalError (server): We encountered an internal error. Please try again. - InternalErrorWe encountered an internal error. Please try again. on line# 981

AlexOP•3/26/24, 8:43 PM

what is it ?

AAlex 350-400 requests per second ?

bun•3/26/24, 8:44 PM

Ok wow this is incredibly slow

AlexOP•3/26/24, 8:44 PM

so how does one put millions of files in R2?

they dont respect privacy, period.

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