Cloudflare Developers•2y ago

wait they cant peer directly with the 3 telecoms at HKG?

HHammer wait they cant peer directly with the 3 telecoms at HKG?

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:36 PM

my understanding is the china isps charge $$$ for peering

CChaika my understanding is the china isps charge $$$ for peering

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:37 PM

But did they managed to peer with China telecom at LAX

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:38 PM

218.30.54.214 (AS4134) -> 172.70.208.2 (AS13335)

oof2win2•4/12/24, 5:38 PM

is the paid workers plan per-account or can there be some form of "organizations" within which you have the billing set separately?

HHammer But did they managed to peer with China telecom at LAX

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:40 PM

that does look like it, no transit in the middle.
I am no china peering expert, I see a lot of VPS providers which china peering in LA. Maybe it's cheaper there? There's an interesting detail about china peering here: https://bandwagonhost.com/cn2gia-vps.php

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Ooof2win2 is the paid workers plan per-account or can there be some form of "organizations...

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:41 PM

per-account

oof2win2•4/12/24, 5:41 PM

that's slightly annoying, thanks though

CChaika that does look like it, no transit in the middle. I am no china peering expert,...

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:42 PM

specifically this is of interest:

We also offer CN2 GIA/CTGNet services in Hong Kong and Japan. Note that Hong Kong and Japan based CN2 GIA VPS plans are going to cost much more. If latency is not an issue, consider using Los Angeles (eCommerce plans, link above).

CChaika specifically this is of interest: > We also offer CN2 GIA/CTGNet services in Ho...

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:42 PM

Oh yeah I remember CN2 GIA services, they are like a few dollar per mbps

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:43 PM

ultimately peering costs are more about "what they can get" then what is practical lol, they can charge whatever they want, and no one can do anything else except use the congested routes to china

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:44 PM

think I also heard of that you have to peer with 3 telecoms indivisually

HHammer But did they managed to peer with China telecom at LAX

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:44 PM

I would say as well,
try a Pro IP: 104.26.10.51, and then try an Ent IP (no chinanet): 104.18.16.18, I'd be curious if they are any better

CChaika I would say as well, try a Pro IP: 104.26.10.51, and then try an Ent IP (no chi...

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:47 PM

They took a kinda different route, actually

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:48 PM

neither to hkg

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:48 PM

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:49 PM

I just wonder why LAX/SJC, wouldn't singapore do better, don't think they charge that much to singapore

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:50 PM

well for free plan, anything more then normal transit costs would be kind of silly to pay for peering considering transit would probably be cheaper then china's stuff at some locations/places and free plan has lots of data use

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:51 PM

curious even for ENT they go to LA, guess just expensive/congested elsewhere

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:53 PM

funnily enough AS9808 (China Mobile aka worst routing in china) routes to SEA and have 50ms lower latency

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:55 PM

but thats china mobile

CChaika curious even for ENT they go to LA, guess just expensive/congested elsewhere

Isaac McFadyen•4/12/24, 5:56 PM

Probably not worth it either

Isaac McFadyen•4/12/24, 5:56 PM

Any Ent operating in China is going to pay for China net likely

Isaac McFadyen•4/12/24, 5:57 PM

So not worth optimising regular IPs that Ents won't even use

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:58 PM

10 gbps at Any2West

HammerOP•4/12/24, 5:58 PM

thats the closest non chinese IX they are presented in

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:59 PM

they do such low capacity on purpose to force people to pay for peering lol

IIsaac McFadyen Any Ent operating in China is going to pay for China net likely

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:59 PM

ehh you'd think in this age of global companies some ents may offer services/free tools/etc which occasionally get Chinese visitors but not enough to make entering china worth it

IIsaac McFadyen Any Ent operating in China is going to pay for China net likely

HammerOP•4/12/24, 6:01 PM

in fact you arent even supposed to have the server outside you are supposed to have it in china

CChaika ehh you'd think in this age of global companies some ents may offer services/fre...

HammerOP•4/12/24, 6:03 PM

China Unicom does have interconnection facility at MEGA-i (iAdvantage Hong Kong), idk if that even helps

HammerOP•4/12/24, 6:04 PM

(dont see cloudlfare there tho)

HHammer China Unicom does have interconnection facility at MEGA-i (iAdvantage Hong Kong)...

Chaika•4/12/24, 6:04 PM

I mean it looks like they're in a ton of places https://www.peeringdb.com/net/730

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