Is it possible to increase just pitch resistance? ailerons seems to have more resistance than elevat

Is it possible to increase just pitch resistance? ailerons seems to have more resistance than elevators, so want to increase elevator resistance, DCS warbirds. What setting will help achieving this?

II/JG7_Moto Is it possible to increase just pitch resistance? ailerons seems to have more re...

walmis•4/16/24, 12:24 PM

You can do this in spring gain mapping tool by making a steeper curve for the elevator axis, but overal DCS controls pitch/roll FFB

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:26 PM

Is that here?

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:27 PM

I should go above 100 on pitch? or reduce aileron? should use adaptative centering?

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:28 PM

what about saturation? anything there that can help?

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:28 PM

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:30 PM

Or do I need to do something here?

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:30 PM

II/JG7_Moto Click to see attachment

walmis•4/16/24, 12:34 PM

Yes, steeper curve means more resistance

Spugzitze•4/16/24, 12:44 PM

Hi guys, I am considering to buy a Rhino. However, I do have a few questions which I'd be happy to get an answer: 1.) I am using a CM3 base with all metal gimbal and extension and a hall sensor. It's very precise. How does the Rhino keep up with this (being mainly plastic and I think it has standard pots?); 2.) what are long-term experiences with precision?; 3.) how loud is the fan, once it's turned on?; 4.) is it possible to vibrate with every turn of a heli rotor.. like 387 rpm? 5.) Will I be happy with it in 10 years?; 6.) is a all metal construction planned?

Wwalmis Yes, steeper curve means more resistance

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:48 PM

Something like this?

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:49 PM

Or this? Sorry the questions but I have not much of an idea.

walmis•4/16/24, 12:50 PM

You can click apply and check the feel you prefer

walmis•4/16/24, 12:50 PM

but yeah, the general idea is correct

I/JG7_MotoOP•4/16/24, 12:50 PM

Ok, thanks

SSpugzitze Hi guys, I am considering to buy a Rhino. However, I do have a few questions whi...

MashedPotato•4/16/24, 1:15 PM

The Rhino does not use "standard pots" for it's axes. It uses a pot, that is programmable to control gain or other settings. The axes are run directly off the motors, which gives them insane precision, on par with if not beyond a hall sensor. 2. I think the longest term owners are about a year, year and a half in, but these things are built like tanks. 3. the fan is small, so it's whiny more than loud, but I've never even heard mine turn on, you really have to push the unit to make it activate. 4. You should be able to set something like that up with TelemFFB. 5. If you're happy when you get it, you'll be happy down the line, I still own a CM3 which I use for HOSAS, and I would never dream of going back to using the CM3 for my main gimbal. 6. Probably not. These things are already beastly in lighter materials, and quite costly. Making it out of metal would increase weight and cost significantly, while providing no real tangible benefit (outside of all metal style martketing. The parts the count (the motors) are of course made of metal.

Spugzitze•4/16/24, 1:39 PM

Order completed. Now I'll wait for the postman to arrive! Thanks!

SSpugzitze Hi guys, I am considering to buy a Rhino. However, I do have a few questions whi...

Bob Bushman•4/16/24, 1:43 PM

It makes the virpil seem like a cheap toy in comparison.

MMashedPotato 1. The Rhino does not use "standard pots" for it's axes. It uses a pot, that is ...

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 1:44 PM

The only thing that might be beneficial to be metal is the gimbal and the small pulley, though only when using the strongest motors.

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 1:46 PM

Also to the original commentor, keep in mind the gimbal is on ball bearings, so the 3d printed parts are only structural and I believe walmis said he has yet to hear of one break outside of some initial ones

Spugzitze•4/16/24, 1:47 PM

I'm not worried about breaking it, but about play over time. But anyway, I'll find out myself.

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 7:02 PM

Hello all, I have the overpriced POS Brunner FFB, off set gooseneck extension, Hornet grip. The Brunner is so weak, it CANNOT hold the stick centered. With the Rhino, it doesn't seem like it would have this issue, but then again, I thought the Brunner would be able to with their falsely claimed "6nm" of force. I put my name on the list to get one.... Also, does anyone know if it actually has force feedback in the Apache within DCS. Before anyone says anything, yes ai am FULLY aware the AH-64D has hydraulics and I would not feel the rotor system like you would in an R22. I'm talking about the ETL shutter or settling which causes the entire aircraft to have a notable shake.....

CC.J. Fondaw Hello all, I have the overpriced POS Brunner FFB, off set gooseneck extension, H...

MashedPotato•4/16/24, 7:31 PM

The Rhino can definitely handle heavier grips and extensions. the motors have a lot of power behind them. If for some ungodly reason you needed more, you could also grab a DIY kit with the bigger motors and run those.

For the Apache, @Number481 might be able to answer that, or even add it to a future build of TelemFFB, those kind of effects are generally run through that app

CC.J. Fondaw Hello all, I have the overpriced POS Brunner FFB, off set gooseneck extension, H...

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:06 PM

Do you mean when you transfer from hover to forward flight? It definitely has that, a noticable amount too

FFierce_Fire Do you mean when you transfer from hover to forward flight? It definitely has th...

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:20 PM

EXACTLY!!!!!

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:22 PM

In the real world, if for any reason you start to settle, you have physical cues giving you a quicker response time. In the sim, it doesn't even register till you hit a vertical speed of about 3600

CC.J. Fondaw Hello all, I have the overpriced POS Brunner FFB, off set gooseneck extension, H...

Number481•4/16/24, 8:22 PM

ETL, VRS, Rotor/Engine Vibrations, Ground bump/rumble, canon fire, rocket/missile launch.. these are all standard TelemFFB effects supported by all DCS helis.

What is not supported is any sort of autopilot or SAS following. The native FFB doesn't implement that and there just isn't enough telemetry data to try to do anything like that outside of the sim (like we do for the MSFS Airbus Heli's)

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:22 PM

I sure wouldike to know that sooner than later while flying the Apache and helping my gunner

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:23 PM

I think it starts at around 10 to 20 knots

Stryker990•4/16/24, 8:24 PM

didnt have the chance yet but: in a 2 man chopper as a cpg/copilot with the pilot in control will the stick move in FFB?

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:24 PM

And that software only works for Rhino right? Is there a way to get it working with the Brunner until my name is drawn on the wait list

SStryker990 didnt have the chance yet but: in a 2 man chopper as a cpg/copilot with the pilo...

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:25 PM

Nope, thats the SAS following number481 mentioned

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:25 PM

At least i think thats what its called, i know that what youre talking about doesnt exist for dcs

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:25 PM

Oh I don't care about auto pilot crap

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:26 PM

I want all that environmental feedback lol

Stryker990•4/16/24, 8:26 PM

~~additonal question: i just noticed i need to put in some counterspring setting is there a specific way to determine how much you need? like what setting would be recommended to be off to set that up?~~ disregard after looking at the manual i found a certain "balancing the grip" section :JBF_actingSusNotMeOwO:

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:26 PM

This may have just became my favorite discord server

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:27 PM

Stryker990•4/16/24, 8:27 PM

without counterspring flying the fulcrum the AP/stick couldnt keep up really it just oscillated like 30-40° left and then 30-40° right never finding the center with counterspring it seems to work

CC.J. Fondaw And that software only works for Rhino right? Is there a way to get it working ...

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:27 PM

AFAIK no, but if youre in somewhat of a hurry theres always the diy route

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:29 PM

Oh I am not computer savvy enough for all that. Maybe I can find a fine chap in this community to help a brother out lol

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:30 PM

Trade some aviation challenge coins or something

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:30 PM

Dont need computer knowledge at all

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:31 PM

Worst i had to do was stick the board somewhere and plug in the wires correctly

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:31 PM

Also theres a kit with guide here somewhere

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:31 PM

1 or more i dunno

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:31 PM

DIY also gives you the option of even stronger motors so you can really get a workout

C.J. Fondaw•4/16/24, 8:32 PM

Maybe I can pay someone to build it for me lol@

CC.J. Fondaw Click to see attachment

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:37 PM

Whats the height of that extension by the way?

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:38 PM

Cause the rhino is recommended with a max of 200mm, though the rhino itself is also raised from the center axis giving it the feel of a 100mm extension by itself

Fierce_Fire•4/16/24, 8:39 PM

I myself am running a 500mm distance between axis and stick with the strongest motors and those are more than enough, i think I turned em down to 60% strength or so

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