Ah. OK. So it would be good to know if anyone has another view and/or owns the Winwing F16EX as it w
Ah. OK. So it would be good to know if anyone has another view and/or owns the Winwing F16EX as it would be good to not have to buy the base. Cheers
JI use the Winwing F16EX on a DIY Rhino. You need walmis WW adapter, everything else works out of the box. Only exception is the vibrating motor in the F16EX but with the Rhino you have much better options to get vibrations. 
I don't think that there is any need to use the winwing SW (which would require the WW base) because the Rhino SW ist pretty configurable by itself.
I don't think that there is any need to use the winwing SW (which would require the WW base) because the Rhino SW ist pretty configurable by itself.
TPost like this give me hope thank you.
I’m build a Rhino as my base and buying a nice stick.
I don’t want to waste money on a stick base I won’t need/use so I’d prefer to just buy the sticks.
I also plan to use a “shift register” but I assume you only need that with the DIY sticks?
Oh well as an international builder I’d rather buy it and have it than need it and have to wait (and pay) for shipping.
So this is great if I can just get a decent stick and ignore buying those expensive bases like the cm3 or whatever
I’m build a Rhino as my base and buying a nice stick.
I don’t want to waste money on a stick base I won’t need/use so I’d prefer to just buy the sticks.
I also plan to use a “shift register” but I assume you only need that with the DIY sticks?
Oh well as an international builder I’d rather buy it and have it than need it and have to wait (and pay) for shipping.
So this is great if I can just get a decent stick and ignore buying those expensive bases like the cm3 or whatever
Fcalling CM3 expensive while building a Rhino base. just my humor. 
BWell one is expensive, the other is very, very expensive.
V:package: 
RHINO #0503 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0503 Has Shipped!
SThere are a few things about f-16ex on rhino: no Firmware Updates, no rumble function and 2 of the virtual buttons on the secondary trigger wont work (btn41 and 42) but ive setup joystick gremlin to compensate for those
WWhat are the secondary trigger functions? Maybe I can add them in firmware
SThey are 2 button that activate at certain points along the axis
S
Wahh, i see
SAs said they are virtual buttons along the rz axis which are in adjustable on the original winwing software
WI'll add this 
WCurious what are the use case for those virtual buttons in sim?
SI use em for multistage trigger apache gunner has 2 x 2 stage triggers
SOr for some planes that have covers on switches i bind the open state of those covers to those so when im using the plane normally ill open them for easier use
Wah, cool
Tits a super useful feature to have yeah, buttons along an axis
SThey aint super important but when u have a situation were they are usefull its a godsend
Ti just noticed im red now... neat... cant wait to finally get my rhino
TYeah I know I’m sort of wired funny that way but what I mean is I don’t want an expensive paperweight after building the Rhino so unless I need it I’d prefer not to buy it.
Do you guys prefer to use them so you can still use the set up software on the sticks? Or can I just get away without it.
Thanks man and sorry for the annoying questions
Do you guys prefer to use them so you can still use the set up software on the sticks? Or can I just get away without it.
Thanks man and sorry for the annoying questions
AI still have a base for my VKB MCGU grip and I decided to change the functionality of one of the buttons and I might need the base for that, I don't really know
Athe decision was about 16 months ago and I still haven't installed the software on this computer because I hate it so much
PWhatever setup (software configuration to the base+stick) you do will be specific to the base. Once you change bases, you’ll lose all of those settings. Nothing is saved to the stick alone. So if you’re only going to use the Rhino as your base then don’t buy the paper weight.
PSpeaking for Virpil hardware. I’m not sure if other vendors have some magic that saves settings to the sticks.
WAnyone know how long it takes from order to payment to ship?
WOnce that occurs, is it generally a few days for each step?
WPayment to shipment is usually in under a week, but also could be the same day
WThank you walmis, just trying to plan my schedule so I can be home to receive the shipment once that occurs. Have a good day
WYours should be out tomorrow
WGreat! No need to rush, take your time haha - hope I don’t come off as impatient. I appreciate the heads up.
SI'm contemplating on getting the F14 from Heatblur in MSFS. Anybody able to compare the FFB with the F14 there (using TelemFFB), is it as good as with DCS?
Sasking here because this is now where the bulk of FFB experience is at
NI don't own the aircraft so I can't speak to any potential feature compatibility issues (i.e. due to non standard telemetry for example) , but from a TelemFFB perspective, there's nothing special about that aircraft. It will be treated as any other aircraft you create a profile for so all the same effects would be supported as in any other MSFS aircraft.
BAny ETA on the metal mount ?
Fthis one? (just realized the Backorder thing)
BThat would be the one, just checked the form now myself, hadn't heard much of it for a while.
Guess I'll order one later today/tomorrow.
Guess I'll order one later today/tomorrow.
WNew batch should arrive on the first/second week of may
BSounds good, I'll give a hand at printing a new mount myself and order the aluminum one.
I'll assume you can take the order and send when able ?
I'll assume you can take the order and send when able ?
WSure
SThanks for your input. So the reason why I ask about this plane specifically is that the FFB for F14 in DCS was touted to be the best even before we were all saved by TelemFFB. From your sentence I do not quite see how would TelemFFB differentiate between F14 (non-fly-by-wire) and F18 (FBW), but presumably that is integrated in the flight models themselves?
Okay, I guess the next step is to learn how to create per-plane profiles for MSFS.
Okay, I guess the next step is to learn how to create per-plane profiles for MSFS.
Cis there a way to get one put aside and sent at the same time as my MFG pedal conversion when those become available?
MtelemFFB (for DCS at least) does not run the actual FFB, that's handled by the sim itself. TelemFFB runs the additional effects that can be provided through the motors, which are not provided by the sim.
MFBW FFB is (depending on jet) kind of just like running the Rhino in spring mode, the hornet at least has a little bit of realistic tension gradianting when it's commanding G though, which ime makes it feel better to fly on than a traditional gimbal
SThanks very much for this clarification, indeed I was wondering what does TelemFFB actually add.
Sin MSFS the only effects available are the ones from TelemFFB, right? because official support is not in game yet.
MI believe so, yes; but do not own MSFS
SI second this if possible, would like to do the same. Happy to pay for it in advance so it's less of a set aside and more of a delayed shipment
BThanks @J2_NobiWan . This news gives me great pleasure. Almost as pleasurable as your excellent software 
FHey @walmis is there any news in the kit for virpil pedals ??
P@walmis What are the FFB kits you are going to sell? I saw that you have already released the MFG kit, are there any others?