I'll start by saying that the Rhino is a multifunctional base and I'll buy it regardless, but I woul

I'll start by saying that the Rhino is a multifunctional base and I'll buy it regardless, but I would like to know, in your opinion, to play with the Helos, isn't it better to use a base with dampeners? What improvements could the Rhino give me?

AndyHill•5/4/24, 12:29 PM

why would it be better to use just a base with dampeners?

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 12:43 PM

because almost all shops that sell helos setups use hydraulic dampeners

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 12:44 PM

I've never tried a helicopter in real life, I don't know what sensations come from cycling and rudders...

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 12:45 PM

if I move a cyclic with hydraulic dampeners on both axes the stick remains in its last position without activating any trim

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 12:50 PM

I'm really ignorant on the subject, I would like some more information

AndyHill•5/4/24, 12:51 PM

I think many real helicopters also allow some spring-based movement around that center point (which changes location as you trim)

AndyHill•5/4/24, 12:51 PM

that's exactly what FFB does for you

Matchstick•5/4/24, 12:51 PM

I'm not an expert either but my understanding is that most modern helecopters do have cyclic centering system which provides force to return the cycliuc to the current trim centre

Bob Bushman•5/4/24, 12:51 PM

The trim turns the hydraulics from damping into power steering.
The static dampened can't do this, the rhino do

AndyHill•5/4/24, 12:52 PM

also FFB gives you the smoothest, zero-friction damping I've ever experienced

AndyHill•5/4/24, 12:53 PM

It might be that for helicopter use you'd want even more damping resistance that you get now, I haven't tested much, but that's probably just a software thing and the quality of the damping you get with FFB is just fantastic

AndyHill•5/4/24, 12:54 PM

you can make arguments for heavy springs & dampers for modern jets being the best possible thing out there, but as far as helicopters go, I think the only reason manufacturers offer dampers instead of FFB is because they can't do FFB

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 12:56 PM

probably the rhino can also simulate a very short movement and high resistance for modern jets (not f16)

PPiola I'll start by saying that the Rhino is a multifunctional base and I'll buy it re...

TheAmazinGreat•5/4/24, 12:57 PM

Most have also failed to mention that Rhino uses electronics to simulate the hydraulic dampeners. And can be tuned to your liking rather than swapping mechanical components.

AndyHill•5/4/24, 12:58 PM

to get realistic jet fighter levels of force on a stick is a lot to ask from an FFB platform, but then again most of us don't have the kind of setup that could handle that kind of loads anyway, so that's super niche

AAndyHill to get realistic jet fighter levels of force on a stick is a lot to ask from an ...

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:00 PM

Right, I was talking about the Typhoon stick, I saw it in some videos and it seems to be like an hybrid between a FSSB base and a spring gimbal… rhino could probably replicate it with his software

AndyHill•5/4/24, 1:01 PM

I can't say much about that, since I don't know how it works, but when it comes to weird functionality, FFB is a pretty good bet for simulating anything

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:02 PM

I find the rhino super versatile

AndyHill•5/4/24, 1:02 PM

one of the biggest strengths of FFB in a joystick is the ability to be one thing one moment and something completely different the next moment

DDaz_bike When is the MFG FFB kit expected to start shipping?

krbs•5/4/24, 1:02 PM

Is there some pre-order form like for Rhino? Or how do I make order? Do you think there will be kits for other pedals like Virpil and Slaw?

AndyHill•5/4/24, 1:02 PM

my fingers are still bleeding from when I tried lots of different setups on a VKB gunfighter two years ago

AndyHill•5/4/24, 1:03 PM

for a rhino a completely new setup is just some sliders and checkboxes away

AndyHill•5/4/24, 1:04 PM

I think there was some kind of a preorder thing for the pedal kit somewhere or maybe I just donated some organs or something like that, I didn't read too carefully in my excitement

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:04 PM

Guys, thanks so much for the answers I was looking for

Kkrbs Is there some pre-order form like for Rhino? Or how do I make order? Do you thin...

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:07 PM

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScJy9f571afga-yYYOE5eqiEacWpqE3UigkC1hfQy6szQnN3g/viewform only MFG

Google Docs

VPforce MFG FFB Kit Preorder

Enter your details here, so you can enter the queue for the VPforce MFG FFB Kit.
Once the queue progresses I will get in touch with further details.

The kit contains:
86BLF03 or 86BLF04 FFB motor
Large gear + 14T motor pulley
Belt HTD5M 400
Motor mount + fasteners
Assembled wiring
Toe brake connectors to VPforce board
Power supply - 19V 9.5A 18...

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krbs•5/4/24, 1:29 PM

Thank you very much. Is there also some kit for FFB collective?

Kkrbs Thank you very much. Is there also some kit for FFB collective?

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:32 PM

Someone posted some pics but I think the only kit walmis is building is the MFG one

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:34 PM

I was hoping in a Slaw Device kit

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:35 PM

for the collective I settle for a hydraulic dampener

PPiola Someone posted some pics but I think the only kit walmis is building is the MFG ...

krbs•5/4/24, 1:40 PM

Yeah Slaw kit would be nice. Is there thread with kits news?
What collective do you have, Virpil? Hydraulic dampener like from bike?

krbs•5/4/24, 1:42 PM

How complicated is to make the collective with hydraulic dampener?

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:45 PM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1191716078770983004

Kkrbs How complicated is to make the collective with hydraulic dampener?

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:46 PM

I'm still looking around for a good collective

PPiola I'll start by saying that the Rhino is a multifunctional base and I'll buy it re...

Fierce_Fire•5/4/24, 1:55 PM

You can't replicate the apaches force trim with just dampers, and I presume there are more helos with similar functionality

Fierce_Fire•5/4/24, 1:56 PM

How the apache trim works is you get normal spring force, until you press trim up, after which all the springs dissappear and it turns into a dead stick

FFierce_Fire How the apache trim works is you get normal spring force, until you press trim u...

PiolaOP•5/4/24, 1:57 PM

oh well I understand

Kkrbs Yeah Slaw kit would be nice. Is there thread with kits news? What collective do...

FlatSpin•5/4/24, 2:33 PM

it's been requested in #

wishlist

krbs•5/4/24, 3:23 PM

Over 900 Rhinos before me... considering my options. Is here somebody who can compare Rhino and rudder pedals with VPforce motors vs Brunner? I tried to ask some questions, so far didn't get any response so customer support not the best. What about FFB quality and how difficult it is to get the products up and running for the first time?

Fr4Ged•5/4/24, 3:31 PM

a load of people don't actually end up ordering the Rhino when their time is up. If you can wait half a year I'd just wait for the Rhino.
I can't compare it with the Brunner but have heard that the Brunner is a bit weaker

Fierce_Fire•5/4/24, 3:38 PM

Or you can DIY if you can find someone with a 3d printer

Kkrbs Over 900 Rhinos before me... considering my options. Is here somebody who can co...

TheAmazinGreat•5/4/24, 4:21 PM

There is a guy selling the 3d printed parts in the DIY section, you just need to add electronics kit from Walmis

TheAmazinGreat•5/4/24, 4:22 PM

I believe EU only tho

Touch_Of_Legend•5/4/24, 4:23 PM

Or just ask @Will3D

He has both the Brunner and the Rhino and said he was ready to sell his Brunner gear after he finally got the Rhino set up.

So ask him his experiences

Touch_Of_Legend•5/4/24, 4:24 PM

(Don’t ask to buy his gear I was referencing his previous comments)

krbs•5/4/24, 5:55 PM

Ok thank you, I will ask @Will3D
DIY would be option, but I am not very manually capable

it would took me months to make something with uncertain result. So I would definitely preferer to buy something ready to use.

Kkrbs Ok thank you, I will ask @Will3D DIY would be option, but I am not very manuall...

Sudeebare•5/4/24, 8:52 PM

I'd happily buy a Rhino base kit if one were cleared for shipment outside the EU, along with the motor kit currently available.

FFr4Ged a load of people don't actually end up ordering the Rhino when their time is up....

.Eagle.•5/4/24, 10:28 PM

I hopethat is true because I have 800 before me lol

.Eagle.•5/4/24, 10:29 PM

I did the math and the average amount of rhinos a week is 8 , that pulls me in 25 months wait time

Fr4Ged•5/4/24, 10:42 PM

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