So do you think it is worth the money to get monster tech considering the system functionality and f

So do you think it is worth the money to get monster tech considering the system functionality and future additions to cockpit?

Also do you have experience with Secretlab chairs?

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BBozo VFA-86 all of them have the high back which inteferes with head movement in vr

krbsOP•5/5/24, 7:32 PM

Do you think there is design better suited for VR?

Bozo VFA-86•5/5/24, 7:33 PM

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Bozo VFA-86•5/5/24, 7:34 PM

i have no experience with the chairs but be careful...alot of overpriced stuff out there

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blave549•5/5/24, 7:54 PM

I have a SecretLab Titan XL, and would never buy one again. The first thing that happened is that the armrests' covering started to "bubble". I had to whine loudly b4 they decided to ship me new ones, initially saying no until I threatened to post about it on Facebook. For the last year or so, they've been getting some very noticeable wear as shown. Now, I sit in this chair a LOT but I had a $250 Costco office chair that I used for probably 15 years and it never did anything like that.

Will3D•5/5/24, 8:04 PM

Hi. could anyone please confirm the length of the 56BLF03 motor? Does the 101mm include the encoder on the back ? Thanks.

Bblave549 I have a SecretLab Titan XL, and would never buy one again. The first thing that...

krbsOP•5/5/24, 9:00 PM

Many thanks for this feedback.

I will look into the office chairs also.

krbsOP•5/5/24, 9:03 PM

Can you please tell me if I can use VKB 200mm extension kit (for gunfighter IV) with Rhino and MCGU grip?

BBozo VFA-86 all of them have the high back which inteferes with head movement in vr

Fr4Ged•5/5/24, 9:10 PM

you can order the Monstertech one without the head part

BBozo VFA-86 https://youtu.be/9Yhc6mmdJC4?si=nxroAb5p1wcg1aAI

Booker•5/5/24, 9:43 PM

I’m probably at 31-33 years with my Aeron. It was expensive at first but amortized over the years it’s been cheap. It’s still in excellent condition and will probably last 30 more without breaking a sweat. I’ve had a happy back all these years.

FFr4Ged you can order the Monstertech one without the head part

Bozo VFA-86•5/5/24, 10:57 PM

I dont see an option to order without a head part...I would love that...do you know of a link?

BBozo VFA-86 I dont see an option to order without a head part...I would love that...do you k...

Fr4Ged•5/6/24, 12:18 AM

pretty sure that isn't a regular option but will be custom made.
ask them in https://discord.com/channels/438688364359581707/582902027101929472
I see you are there as well.

WWill3D Hi. could anyone please confirm the length of the 56BLF03 motor? Does the 101mm ...

walmis•5/6/24, 5:47 AM

Yes, it's the same length as the stock motor

Wwalmis Yes, it's the same length as the stock motor

Will3D•5/6/24, 6:22 AM

Thank you!

Arno•5/6/24, 7:44 AM

Hey guys, I have a general question about an emergency stop configuration. My goal is to have a single button to shut down my motion platform, ffb hardware and seat belt all at once.... My proposed setup:
1. Master stop button runs off 5v USB power and powers a 4x optocoupler module. Should only be a few milliamps to drive the optocouplers.
2. Devices have a 24V built in relay in the power circuit, with a low load line that closes the relay via the optocoupler.
My reasoning is that this way, I have one central button, and no high amperage lines all over. Does this work and is it safe?

krbsOP•5/6/24, 8:34 AM

Can I use 200mm STICK EXTENSION KIT FOR GUNFIGHTER MK.IV for Rhino+MCGU?

AArno Hey guys, I have a general question about an emergency stop configuration. My go...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/6/24, 9:35 AM

With all that I’m not trusting something home built..

Use an external switch and plug everything from Haptics to Buttkickers and Amps, yes the Rhino and the seatbelt all into the same surge protector.

Plug that surge protector into this and mount it somewhere.

This is a proper and safe way to cut all the power at once.

I wouldn’t plug my computer into it but yeah.

When you said “my motion rig”…

I don’t want to see home made switches sorry but that’s just me.

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Touch_Of_Legend•5/6/24, 9:36 AM

That’s a real power cut off switch’s and good luck with whatever you decide

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Arno•5/6/24, 10:18 AM

That's certainly effective but I would prefer to keep all the electronics running, and just cut power to anything that moves. Currently I have no mains voltage on the rig itself. It is mainly about physical safety, electrical/fire safety is ok without need for this button. And the haptics should be a single red, intuitive STOP button which the occupant or any bystander can smack intuitively when something seems dangerous.

Arno•5/6/24, 10:20 AM

BTW with the stop button powering the optocouplers, devices would only get power when everything in the chain works.

Shamansky•5/6/24, 11:12 AM

Any F-14 drivers here. I am having two issues since getting Rhino. One of them is, altitude autopilot does not work as expected once I press Autopilot Reference button on stick. Second is, joy travels quite far forward from me. I need to redo take off trim to 2 degrees.

mac22443506•5/6/24, 1:39 PM

just started using the various UH60 mods for DCS - what's the best way to get them up and running the rhino? (from what I can see some form of force trim seems to have been implememted although not sure)

AArno Hey guys, I have a general question about an emergency stop configuration. My go...

Toddimus•5/6/24, 2:21 PM

That seems reasonable to me. I would just make sure all of the critical bits fail in the open state. I think some solid state relays can fail in the closed state, so that’s bad. Belt and suspenders version would have a secondary pass through another relay. The idea being if one of the relays fails in the closed state, the secondary one will be the fail-safe. Have a look at multi pole contactor relays used in CNC machines.

Toddimus•5/6/24, 2:24 PM

You can set up a momentary button for enable and then it will stay enabled until either a momentary stop or E-stop button breaks the enable circuit. Kinda like logic but done with a relay. I’ll try to find a link to an example circuit.

SShamansky Any F-14 drivers here. I am having two issues since getting Rhino. One of them i...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/6/24, 2:27 PM

I can’t help but I have seen it posted by more than one person about the F14 specifically losing AOA when trying to use Altitude auto pilot?

Again I don’t own F14 so I’m only relaying what I remember but you’re not the first person I’ve seen post this so search for it and maybe you and the other two Tomcats can work together on a solution until some sort of telem patch is sorted out

Arno•5/6/24, 2:27 PM

So you mean the first part of the circuit (the optocouplers) would only be powered after pressing the enable button?

Arno•5/6/24, 2:28 PM

So one optocoupler has the enable button, and powers the emergency stop button, and that powers the optcouplers that control the devices....

Toddimus•5/6/24, 2:29 PM

Essentially, yeah. Optocouplers could fail closed though. Another benefit of using the method I’m talking about is that you can have multiple stop buttons and/or Estop buttons because they are all in a loop, carrying only low power signal.

Arno•5/6/24, 2:35 PM

Maybe I can solve it with a procedure.... like always press the stop button when shutting down, and engage motors only after powering everything up. If some component fails closed, it can be noticed that way..

Mmac22443506 just started using the various UH60 mods for DCS - what's the best way to get th...

LeLv30_Superbus•5/6/24, 2:39 PM

UH-60L mod (v 1.4 I think) doesn't have FFB implementation but TelemFFB force trim does the trick

AArno Maybe I can solve it with a procedure.... like always press the stop button when...

Toddimus•5/6/24, 3:22 PM

Check out this video. You would put one or more Normally Closed momentary buttons to in series with the red button, along with as many Estop switches as you want. The beauty of this is that only the coil control voltage has to run to the switches. Your loads would be run through the main input/output terminals of the contactor. Probably the positive leg of each power circuit. Hopefully this makes sense.

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Toddimus•5/6/24, 3:26 PM

Extra safety can be had by passing the power signal through two contacts in series. Looping it back through.

Arno•5/6/24, 3:44 PM

But I don't want many switches. I want one e-stop to turn off many devices. So I use the optocouplers so that when the estop opens, many optocouplers open in many low current loops to the devices. The device then has a relay, which will open when no current is coming in through that loop. And thus the device loses its supply which runs through that relay. Most scenarios will interrupt power to the relays.
So I need to consider that either the optocoupler or relay could fail in the closed position. Your suggestion is to double them up in series, to have a reduced probability that both fail closed. I guess if I would want multiple estops, I would simply wire them in series before the optocouplers.

LLeLv30_Superbus UH-60L mod (v 1.4 I think) doesn't have FFB implementation but TelemFFB force tr...

mac22443506•5/6/24, 4:44 PM

thanks - so this means to get force trim you should select the option in the telem options - also think there is a force trim option in the main rhino software (from memory) do you need to enable both for it to work?

mac22443506•5/6/24, 4:48 PM

also what does this mean when setting up the module in telem - pretty sure i got the prompt that uh60l was not found when I first run it (so should u be selecting another helicoter to be used (such as teh ah64) to select when the FFB effects for when the mh60 us running or do something else?) - also pretty sure last time I ran it was getting some kind of force/effects through the stick or was this just some kind of default spring effect?

Mmac22443506 also what does this mean when setting up the module in telem - pretty sure i got...

Number481•5/6/24, 4:53 PM

The UH60L has a default profile in TelemFFB. Possible that the additional modded versions have different "names" that would show up un-matched, but its pretty obvious in TelemFFB how to clone from another aircraft if that is the case.

In DCS, the "actual" FFB part is handled natively by the sim. This includes force-trim for helicopters, and dynamic stick forces and trim following for fixed wing.

None of the community mod aircraft support FFB so you have to fake it with hardware force trim using the configurator software.

Fr4Ged•5/6/24, 5:20 PM

I ended up creating a new profile for those FFB-unsupported mods. works well enough.

NNumber481 The UH60L has a default profile in TelemFFB. Possible that the additional modde...

mac22443506•5/6/24, 5:25 PM

got it - actually I think the profile must have been detected but I set the search parameter to anything with UH60 in it (so thats what I must be getting?) - strangely I dont have force trim (hardware trim) selected in either telem or the main software - but when I flick the force trim switch it "seems" to reslect the centre (so something is happening and the actual centre of the stick is jumping) - is your suggestion to just select the force trim in the telem software or the main rhino option to get force trim to work?

mac22443506•5/6/24, 5:27 PM

out of interest did you get the show axis box display working? (using ctrl+enter) - seems when I use this key bind nothing appears?

Mmac22443506 got it - actually I think the profile must have been detected but I set the sear...

Number481•5/6/24, 5:41 PM

are you talking about the virtual stick? AFAIK, the "trim release" binding in the helicopter will make the cyclic behave as "instant trim" (but without FFB).. meaning that as soon as you press it, it sets the virtual offset of the stick such that when you release the stick back to center, the virtual stick will be where it was when you pressed the button.

To set it up with hardware force trim, you would want to unbind the in-game force trim and set your configurator up like this... If you also want motorized hat trim, I would unbind the trims in the game and set up the trim override (green boxes) in configurator

NNumber481 are you talking about the virtual stick? AFAIK, the "trim release" binding in t...

mac22443506•5/6/24, 7:32 PM

thanks - think we are talking about the same thing - 1)by force trim (although some dcs modules call it instant trim in the options) I mean when I release the force trim switch it essentially resets my stick centre(can see my virtual stick in the uh60 move to this new centre) - when I hit the trim reset button it re-centres the virtual stick to the default centre - although interested to know what you mean by this function not having FFB?(as these mods don't support it) - I find with the AH64 for example the stick has no spring in it when I push the trim switch up?

mac22443506•5/6/24, 7:36 PM

2)weirdly for the uh60 and also the new oh6 mod I have force trim bound in game and I seem to be getting some kind of force trim effect already! (the virtual stick moves to the new centre) even though in the rhino menu I do not have hardware force trim selected? - is your suggestions to clear the force trim/reset bindings in DCS and enable the hardware force trim setting in the rhino menu for the best result? (also if I do this do I need to touch any of the force trim settings in the profile page of the telem software or can I just leave this untouched?)

mac22443506•5/6/24, 7:38 PM

3)also what is motorized hat trim? (assume this is traditional trim and for fixed wing)

Mmac22443506 thanks - think we are talking about the same thing - 1)by force trim (although s...

Number481•5/6/24, 8:31 PM

I guess I don't understand what you mean.

Without FFB hardware, When you enable "instant trim" for any of the official modules, as soon as you release the force trim button, you need to recenter your physical joystick, because the trimming results in a doubling of your input so that at physical=0,0.. the virtual x,y is whatever you trimmed it to.

WITH FFB hardware, when you press force trim, the spring forces are relieved on the joystick.. when you are done trimming/maneuvering and release the trim button, the spring forces return, centered on the new position. Physical and Virtual stick positions always match.

Neither of these freeware/community mods support FFB. Thus, the stick will not behave as in the 2nd description. You need to use hardware trim to emulate the behavior.

If you enable hardware trim but don't unbind the force-trim in the game, you will end up with an offset spring position but with double the input in the game = bad times.

Regarding hat trim, the IRL Blackhawk has an AFCS system and has motorized hat beep trim, The IRL OH-6 does not have "force trim", but does have hat trim to help alleviate stick forces required to hold the helo at any given attitude

mac22443506•5/6/24, 10:43 PM

Thanks 1)for the uh60 will enable the hard ware force trim in the rhino software - do I also have to tick the forcetrim box in the Telem software or can I leave it unchecked?
2)for the hat trim shall enable it in the rhino software (assume force trim simply will not work then?) - still struggling to understand how the hat trim works - but is it like a fixed wing aircraft trim - up trims up?

NNumber481 I guess I don't understand what you mean. ***Without *** FFB hardware, When yo...

mac22443506•5/7/24, 1:33 AM

just gave your trim setup suggestions a try on the UH60L - strangely if I unbind the trim controls in game and then enable hardware trim (in the rhino software) and assign buttons - the trim does not seem to function at all with the re-centre position just not registering (which makes the helicopter uncontrollable) when I bind again in game the force trim works ok and I can see from the axis control box the stick centre shift (white box) after I release the force trim button (does not feel as good as the ah64 implementation but it still appears to work ok....) - any help appreciated?

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