I'm new to the VP force discord and I'm thinking of building a Rhino. Now I'm wondering witch motors

I'm new to the VP force discord and I'm thinking of building a Rhino. Now I'm wondering witch motors to choose. I have no Idea if the bigger Motors will fit in the Casing of the Rhino? It should not be a problem to change the casings construction sligthly but is there any need to do that?

Moe1875OP•5/16/24, 7:43 AM

best regards Moritz

MMoe1875 I'm new to the VP force discord and I'm thinking of building a Rhino. Now I'm wo...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 9:52 AM

The GitHub and Protomaker DIY Rhino kit only fits the 57 size motors.

The 87 are significantly larger and will not fit.

Can the files and dimensions be altered to fit? Sure but that’s gonna be a freaking huge base.

The 87 motors do work for sticks but the larger motors are mainly for FFB Rudders because leg muscles are so much stronger.

May I ask why you want the larger motors?

The 57 are great and what the official Rhino uses.

Moe1875OP•5/16/24, 9:54 AM

I just aske cause I don't wan't to pit too much effort in the printing and everythig to recognize that the stick has not enough force at the end.

Moe1875OP•5/16/24, 9:54 AM

But with your explanation I'm happy to go with the 57 size motors

Moe1875OP•5/16/24, 9:54 AM

thx a lot!

Moe1875OP•5/16/24, 9:57 AM

one last question, is there also a possibility to build some auto throttle with the Rhino kit?

Fierce_Fire•5/16/24, 9:57 AM

57 should be good for most normal uses, like sidestick or extensions <200mm(keep in mind the rhino is taller than most normal bases)

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 9:58 AM

The “potential” maximum force depends on a lot of factors.

Basically it’s some complicated math but the 57’s max power comes from a higher power PSU and maybe with some radiator fins.

Also as discussed the length from motor to stick grip determines overall max force.

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 9:59 AM

With a weak power supply you can watch the motors drop

Fierce_Fire•5/16/24, 9:59 AM

Iirc no sim has support for auto throttle

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 9:59 AM

Without cooling you could get better (longer duration) forces by avoiding the heat trip when it ramps itself down

Fierce_Fire•5/16/24, 9:59 AM

Eh, i wouldnt be that concerned, i use 340w for the biggest motors and didnt have an issue

Bob Bushman•5/16/24, 9:59 AM

The actually sold units used the smaller motors and it does not lack power.

FFierce_Fire Eh, i wouldnt be that concerned, i use 340w for the biggest motors and didnt hav...

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 10:00 AM

No im saying the opposite.

If you use a 15w 4amp it’s not the same as your 340

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 10:00 AM

So it matters how much power you can give

Fierce_Fire•5/16/24, 10:00 AM

If you use a 15w psu youre doing something wrong haha

FFierce_Fire Iirc no sim has support for auto throttle

Moe1875OP•5/16/24, 10:01 AM

I thougth I've seen something like that before, but maybe this was just missunderstanding

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 10:01 AM

Agreed but I was more just saying on principal

Same with the radiator fins it’s only principal not practical for our space

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 10:04 AM

Anyway the max force is affected by a lot of factors up to and including shaft length (extensions).

But again that’s all user preference and honestly I’ve only ever heard one guy complain it was weak AND it turned out that was some software error on his part lol.

So even if you search you won’t find folks actually claiming the rhino is weak

Moe1875OP•5/16/24, 10:05 AM

Ok, that sounds good for me!

Touch_Of_Legend•5/16/24, 10:07 AM

The only times I would maybe recommend the larger motors for a stick is for a true custom build.

The DIY is an awesome build with a few tiny hic cups and set up but after that you’ll be super happy.

VPforceBot•5/16/24, 10:30 AM

:package:

RHINO #0534 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•5/16/24, 10:45 AM

:package:

RHINO #0535 Has Shipped!

AndyHill•5/16/24, 10:47 AM

I can totally understand the search for ultimate power, but it's a bit more complicated than you might think

AndyHill•5/16/24, 10:47 AM

for example the Rhino is already much stronger than what TM style connectors were ever thought to be used on

Teeks•5/16/24, 10:48 AM

Bella Pais?

AndyHill•5/16/24, 10:48 AM

I don't think there should be any problems with current power levels, but I also don't think TM connectors could handle the 2-figure kilos of some of the real planes

VVPforceBot :package: 🇬🇧 **RHINO #0534** Has Shipped!

Matchstick•5/16/24, 10:52 AM

And that one is mine !

Teeks•5/16/24, 10:52 AM

I just paid mine, so it wont be long

Matchstick•5/16/24, 10:53 AM

Yeah, I got the notification then the invoice just a couple of hours ago and now it's on it's way !

Teeks•5/16/24, 10:53 AM

amazing

Teeks•5/16/24, 10:54 AM

mines #588 tho, so it might be a little longer

Teeks•5/16/24, 10:54 AM

oh wait, its changed to #537 !

VPforceBot•5/16/24, 10:55 AM

:package:

RHINO #0536 Has Shipped!

LLeLv30_Superbus Click to see attachment

Spelljammer1•5/16/24, 10:58 AM

the new lightest king in the top grip sector?

VVPforceBot :package: 🇺🇸 **RHINO #0535** Has Shipped!

Ghastly•5/16/24, 11:05 AM

Teeks•5/16/24, 11:10 AM

Wonder when my name will turn colour

Spitfire ZX•5/16/24, 3:15 PM

@MichalK @neok since I know both of you have the Rhino as well as the Tianhang F-16 grip, could you tell me if it's able to be mounted at an angle on the Rhino as they come? angle meaning like you'd want for a center stick (see image)