no adapter needed. VKB & Winwing need adapters VKB being a pass through to the VKB black box
no adapter needed. VKB & Winwing need adapters VKB being a pass through to the VKB black box
DIf I am not mistaken some other sticks require you to have their base off to the side. Is that not necessary with the Virpil?
DThank you!!!
E16ex works for sure. I'm using it. I have actually even wondered if the vibration motor works too. I just don't know how to separate rhino and 16ex vibration motor to test it
EBecause it feels to me like the winwing vibration motor is working too
TVirpil plugs in and works great with no external nothing.
Using a T50CM
Using a T50CM
TI’m gonna look at these thanks for sharing!
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BReposting to maybe get an answer this time 
Power supply question: What voltage should i set on my MeanWell LRS-350-24 using the adjustment? Lowest i can set it is 20.6V. Searching the discord i'm reading replies saying a 24V power supply is also fine. How does this affect the recommended Max PSU current setting of 7A? Can i turn it to 24V and get more forces before reaching max psu current?
Power supply question: What voltage should i set on my MeanWell LRS-350-24 using the adjustment? Lowest i can set it is 20.6V. Searching the discord i'm reading replies saying a 24V power supply is also fine. How does this affect the recommended Max PSU current setting of 7A? Can i turn it to 24V and get more forces before reaching max psu current?
WI run mine at 22V, but 24V is totally fine. You can increase the max PSU current to the match the PSU
BAlright thanks! What is your max PSU current set to then using 22V? At 20.6V i reach 7A pretty easy, 24V/7A prevents the overload reduction of forces almost completely.
WYou don't need to set the PSU limit that low with that powerful PSU
SIs a crosswind pedals upgrade kit on the horizon??? 
TThe DIY runs on 20v 9amp so you’re totally safe to run it anywhere around there.
The DIY has an initial set up video showing some steps in the first set up of the configurator where you set the software to “call” for the power you provided.
The DIY has an initial set up video showing some steps in the first set up of the configurator where you set the software to “call” for the power you provided.
TYouTubeValmantas Palikša
This is a first introduction of the Rhino FFB system that will be available soon for purchase as a DYI kit. This system will enable enthusiasts to build a plug-an-play FFB joysticks with custom mechanics. Contact me for details if interested.
Contacts:
VPforce Discord Channel: https://discord.gg/Y7YmFGHbee
DCS Forums: https://forum.dcs.world/p...
Contacts:
VPforce Discord Channel: https://discord.gg/Y7YmFGHbee
DCS Forums: https://forum.dcs.world/p...
TIn this video (above) Walmis talks through most, if not all, the settings and how to set them up for DIY kits and what each “effects setting” does.
It’s a great video. Watching it a few times will give you a greater understanding of not just the Rhino but of its equally powerful config software.
It’s a great video. Watching it a few times will give you a greater understanding of not just the Rhino but of its equally powerful config software.
BThanks a lot, i'll watch it later
SI'm gonna try these settings later. The F4 feels really weird with my Rhino. Not sure if it's meant to be this way or it's the integration with FFB.
RDid the MFG kits get cancelled?
RI've asked I think literally dozen times with no answer, since the supposed date that the motors were available
RThinking the worst
TThanks for posting this link!! Somehow I missed it in my initial research. Useful information on the settings, though it’s a little out of date, it’s still a great resource.
AHaven't seen any news. My money is on fine details or something of the sort.
AThanks. That's the answer I was looking for.
FEngineering takes time, and people have been asking quite often so dont be surprised when a question like that is unintentionally left unanswered
SI asked that like 6 month ago
HSo I have just flown the f4 for for first time. Have to say the FFB by dcs is usually okay, the heatblur implementation in the F14 was very good once they fixed some issues. But this implementation in the F4 is just odd and a bit confusing.
I have turned the percentage option they have in the dcs special menu up to see the difference, as at a Takeoff/Approach speed there is little resistance so it's far too easy to overcorrect. Just to see the limit I set the FFB gain in the settings to 400% and on the ground the pitch force was very bizzar, none initially, then I applied some trim and it forced the stick full forwards.
I'm very confused as to what that's supposes to be simulating, because after Takeoff the forces reduced again to quite low, even at such a high gain.
My Rhino has the z extension on it so I do need a little bit more force but this is very odd.
I have turned the percentage option they have in the dcs special menu up to see the difference, as at a Takeoff/Approach speed there is little resistance so it's far too easy to overcorrect. Just to see the limit I set the FFB gain in the settings to 400% and on the ground the pitch force was very bizzar, none initially, then I applied some trim and it forced the stick full forwards.
I'm very confused as to what that's supposes to be simulating, because after Takeoff the forces reduced again to quite low, even at such a high gain.
My Rhino has the z extension on it so I do need a little bit more force but this is very odd.
FYou aren't the only one that asked
FAlso I think it's only been like 3 months since the last update
FIf not less
SCan you point me to the last update? I haven’t seen it.
Ssearch 'mfg kit from:walmis'
SThanks, done and form filed
CIgnore anything the happens with the FFB and stick on the ground in the F4, it is a completely separate mode its in to not throw your stick forward.
First, make sure you update TelemFFB if you are using it or at least turn off the G effect because it interacts with HBs modeling of the bobweight and causes porpoising
Second, what I did was turn the F4 special options gains up to about 200% and I also added like 10% inertia and damping and 3% friction in VP configurator. These setting feel pretty decent so far.
That lack of feel when in the air at low speeds is just how that artifical pitch feel system works IRL, combined with the max force limitations of our hardware. Since the real plane can have 60lbs stick forces, when that is scaled to our 100% force on our rhinos that leaves the slow speed forces that IRL would be in the high single digits of LbsF to be almost unnoticeable on the rhino as set by default. There is a nice writeup on the ED forums about the nature of this issue with force graphs and all that I suggest you read through to understand how some settings could help you get the stick feel you want
First, make sure you update TelemFFB if you are using it or at least turn off the G effect because it interacts with HBs modeling of the bobweight and causes porpoising
Second, what I did was turn the F4 special options gains up to about 200% and I also added like 10% inertia and damping and 3% friction in VP configurator. These setting feel pretty decent so far.
That lack of feel when in the air at low speeds is just how that artifical pitch feel system works IRL, combined with the max force limitations of our hardware. Since the real plane can have 60lbs stick forces, when that is scaled to our 100% force on our rhinos that leaves the slow speed forces that IRL would be in the high single digits of LbsF to be almost unnoticeable on the rhino as set by default. There is a nice writeup on the ED forums about the nature of this issue with force graphs and all that I suggest you read through to understand how some settings could help you get the stick feel you want
Swhat about the pitch carlos? I feel it very sensible. always floating betwen +-4000' vvi...
CThe inertia, damping, and friction helped with the pitch feeling more real and stable. But other than that the f4 changes pitch with the bellows at different speeds so you always have to be trimming anyways, or just deal with the stick forces
HThanks, I was doing this testing without telem anyway. Heatblur tend to add enough effects to there aircraft for me not to need it. I don't alway like additional feelings that aren't always felt through the stick in reality.
While I understand that's how the controls are irl, if it doesn't scale to our hardware then there really should be an option to have a minimum force at low speeds. As otherwise ffb is basically off.
While I understand that's how the controls are irl, if it doesn't scale to our hardware then there really should be an option to have a minimum force at low speeds. As otherwise ffb is basically off.
CThat was one of the suggestions, Idk if that will end up getting implemented or if its possible
GG
NCurious for anyone else to try these settings... Gain map will cause the forces to ramp up quicker (meaning the force should be higher overall at slower speeds). Artificially increasing your calibrated Y axis range does sacrifice some throw, but acts as a saturation which decreases the overall sensitivity....
Seems to be working pretty well for me (but I'm probably not the best judge either )
Seems to be working pretty well for me (but I'm probably not the best judge either
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HIll have a look the following days. Thanks a bunch for the suggestions! I’m still so horribly new to this so fucking around takes a while.
KI've done exactly that and Pitch axis is slightly less twitchy, thanks for the 
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RHINO #0555 Has Shipped!HI'll try this later hopefully, sorry the image appears to be really compressed so can't make out any of the settings. I might be being daft as well but I thought those settings in vp force were overridden by the sim?
Nthe gain map is persistent.
DWith all due respect, the picture shows the design and 'engineering' are complete. The items are listed on the pre-order and appear to be fairly basic. The design is the real clever part using the excellent VPforce motor kit. Some indication of an estimated timeline to release would be appreciated. i.e Q3/Q4
