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halva
yeah that one was straight up hostile, metal has no reason to exist other than to make it harder to
yeah that one was straight up hostile
, metal has no reason to exist other than to make it harder to get into
/out of the ecosystem
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H
halva
yeah that one was straight up hostile, metal has no reason to exist other than t...
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
That
's already true with xcode
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
i really doubt apple didnt know about vulkan being in the works considering they
're 1 year of age apart
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
yeah because converting x86 code to arm code on the fly for both CPU and GPU is FUCKING HARD
K
Kyle Gospo
Yeah, also things like refusing to support Vulkan
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:37 AM
this is not really different than Microsoft pushing their own standard
(I know they support Vulkan so it
's not the entire same thing
)
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
The entire ecosystem is anti
-developer as far as I
'm concerned
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
the difference is DirectX is actually good unlike Metal
C
char
last time I saw it could barely run Skyrim
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
https://youtu.be/ofHXujZ0Opg?t=78
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Settings
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, Normal Quality
All preset
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0
:45 Game Test
2
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, SD 888 vs SD 8 Gen 2
Phone Specifications
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C
char
this is not really different than Microsoft pushing their own standard (I know t...
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
windows supports vulkan just fine
?
?
C
char
this is not really different than Microsoft pushing their own standard (I know t...
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
Look
, one more like this and I
'm going to ban you
. It
's borderline misinformation
. Window supports Vulkan
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
Microsoft has done nothing like metal
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
I didn
't say it like they don
't support it
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
I meant trying to push their own thing
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
Pushing your own thing and making it the
only
thing are very different
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:38 AM
Vulkan runs on basically everything at this point
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
they
're not
? like
they
've used dx since god knows how long
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
except I think macOS but correct me if I
'm wrong
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
opengl
/vulkan has always coexisted with it with no issues
A
Astral
except I think macOS but correct me if I'm wrong
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
It only works on Mac OS via a compatibility layer that converts it to metal
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
And is missing numerous features
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
Vulkan is not the default on Windows although it is supported
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
It
's also the only operating system like that
K
Kyle Gospo
It only works on Mac OS via a compatibility layer that converts it to metal
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
oh so it
's just really bad dxvk
A
Astral
oh so it's just really bad dxvk
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
Yeah
, twice
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
They push DirectX
A
Astral
except I think macOS but correct me if I'm wrong
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
playstation and xbox too
C
char
Vulkan is not the default on Windows although it is supported
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
That
's not an OS thing though
. It
's more reflective of the industry
.
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:39 AM
well
, and ios xd
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
dxvk to Vulkan
, multanVK to metal
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
Bro I heard you liked compatibility layers
V
Valerie
That's not an OS thing though. It's more reflective of the industry.
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
as someone who has looked at both graphics APIs I do not blame them at all
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
OpenGL predates DirectX
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
Vulkan is insanely complicated
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
by like
, a lot
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
But offers the best performance
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
Vulkan
's family tree goes back further than DX
's ever did
C
char
Vulkan is insanely complicated
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
It
's roughly the same as DirectX 12
, the industry abandoned the whole driver does everything model
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:40 AM
Windows supported OpenGL before it ever supported DX
A
Astral
Vulkan's family tree goes back further than DX's ever did
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
Vulkan is less a product of OpenGL
, it
's the modern version of AMD
's mantle
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
OpenGL first released in 1992
.
DirectX
? 1995
K
Kyle Gospo
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
Which debuted with Battlefield IV
K
Kyle Gospo
Vulkan is less a product of OpenGL, it's the modern version of AMD's mantle
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
yeah true it is more of an evolution of Mantle
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
but it has the legacy of the OpenGL team behind it
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
which is more my point
V
Valerie
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
While I do think ARM is a really good architecture
, shipping ARM devices that purely exist to emulate x86 is stupid
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
xbox only supports directx
, playstation uses their own weird proprietary api
, ios
/macos
/ipados have metal
everyone else supports opengl
/vulkan
C
char
last time I saw it could barely run Skyrim
H
HikariKnight
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
in the beginning wine barely could run games
A
Astral
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
these people have been in the game for wayyyyy longer than DX have
H
halva
OP
•
6/10/24, 12:41 AM
weirdly enough the switch uses vulkan too
, you
'd think nintendo would pull something proprietary here
H
HikariKnight
in the beginning wine barely could run games
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:42 AM
This was not long ago I saw the video
C
char
•
6/10/24, 12:42 AM
I think a few months ago
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