To give you an idea - When I disassembled the gimbal to change the stick connector to my "stubby" ve

To give you an idea - When I disassembled the gimbal to change the stick connector to my "stubby" version - after reassembling and only the 80mm grip connector as a "lever" - without belts attached, the gimbal moved freely and buttery smooth in every direction.

HHiob To give you an idea - When I disassembled the gimbal to change the stick connect...

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:34 AM

with no belts attached, the gimbal has always been pretty smooth in linear x and y motion, no issues with the 6808 bearings there

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:34 AM

but with circular motion it has always had some issues with internal creaking that can be felt all the way up the grip

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:34 AM

probably at the beginning due to the grossly overtightened nut, maybe now due to internal damage

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:35 AM

oh well........the belts weren't expensive, at least

HiobOP•7/5/24, 8:38 AM

You shouldn't overthighten the central bolt that connects the two core parts. I would even argue, that the bolt doesn't need to be fixated in the outer part at all - but I haven't tried that yet.

HHiob You shouldn't overthighten the central bolt that connects the two core parts. I ...

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:39 AM

i'll certainly keep that in mind for the gimbal rebuild

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:39 AM

would honestly be helpful if there was a guide out there for how tight the main screws need to be

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:39 AM

the main bolt/nut of grip connector and core joint, the preload screws, etc.

HiobOP•7/5/24, 8:44 AM

For the free moving variant I have in mind, you would need a different outer core and bearings though. The "stock" gimbal works just fine. It is mainly the central bolt that connects the gimbal core that can't be overtightend.

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:45 AM

hold on, are you using a 72T pulley? in combination with 12T motor pulley

HiobOP•7/5/24, 8:45 AM

Everything else can and should be "moderately hand tight" as far as I'm concerned

Nnubbins hold on, are you using a 72T pulley? in combination with 12T motor pulley

HiobOP•7/5/24, 8:45 AM

Me? Yeah the default one - 74T I think

HHiob You can also move the center point by altering the calibration values. I don't k...

kaltokri•7/5/24, 9:47 AM

Nope. I don't find anything in the configurator. I don't want a curvature in the force of the axis. I want a curvature in the value of the axis.

Kkaltokri Nope. I don't find anything in the configurator. I don't want a curvature in the...

HiobOP•7/5/24, 9:52 AM

I see. Well, generally speaking - that is undesirable with force feedback. Because a non-linear physical to logical position would mess up the ffb-effects (afaik). However - if it is the stick position in the forward trim that is concerning you, it may be worth considering to move the center point towards you, by manually changing the calibration value of the "push forward" position. I did that for the F-4 once, because it has a lot of forward trim and my arm was to short for comfort. Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it may help to alleviate your problem.

walmis•7/5/24, 9:57 AM

Yeah curves + dynamic trim offset doesn't make sense. I've researched into that last year
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Wwalmis so the TM grip works, but others not?

AlexS•7/5/24, 11:36 AM

Yes

AAlexS Yes

walmis•7/5/24, 12:05 PM

You can put a request: http://order.vpforce.eu I'll mail you another grip socket

Wwalmis You can put a request: http://order.vpforce.eu I'll mail you another grip socket

AlexS•7/5/24, 12:08 PM

Done. Thank you.

Wwalmis Yeah curves + dynamic trim offset doesn't make sense. I've researched into that ...

Number481•7/5/24, 1:08 PM

IMHO, even with regular sprung joysticks, curves are not the right solution to twitchy aircraft. Saturation works better. Unfortunately the saturation settings in DCS are also not compatible with FFB.

We have axis scaling in configurator, but it only allows for a positive saturation such that partial physical trave = full reported travel. It would also be useful to have negative capabilities such that full physical travel = partial reported travel.

You can accomplish this by manually increasing the calibrated range of the axis, but it would be nice to have a purpose built setting in configurator for doing so.

Wwalmis You can put a request: http://order.vpforce.eu I'll mail you another grip socket

AlexS•7/5/24, 3:00 PM

Amazing service mate, thank you.

kaltokri•7/5/24, 3:47 PM

I've found a workaround which make me happy until we found a better way.
I've described it here: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1098318539426889799/1258810327747924130
Maybe it is useful for other Hog drivers, too.

kaltokri•7/5/24, 3:50 PM

But I think it should be useful to place a tip in the manual to disable curvatures in DCS for A-10C & Ka-50 (and probably other chopper with trimmer).

Nnubbins that is the idea, but I'm not sure where I would go from there. To a different t...

Subsonic•7/5/24, 3:57 PM

I have mostly found creaking to be due to loose main gimbal bearings. Check all the retainers for tightness.

Diverzant•7/5/24, 4:41 PM

what does it want from me?

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 4:56 PM

I get that message when I turn on my computer, but my Rhino isn't connected at the USB. Start there

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 4:57 PM

Wait, did you already get and build your kit?

SSamNFTY Wait, did you already get and build your kit?

Diverzant•7/5/24, 5:01 PM

Yep

DDiverzant Yep 😄

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 5:03 PM

That was fast!

Diverzant•7/5/24, 5:06 PM

Managed to take care of this message but didnt get much further lol

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 5:07 PM

USB and power plugged in?

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 5:07 PM

Stick beeped when you powered it?

Diverzant•7/5/24, 5:07 PM

Yep, its beeping at me

Diverzant•7/5/24, 5:08 PM

I need to put the belts on and need that ~2000 motor position and no idea where to find it. also i am pretty sure only one motor is currently active

DDiverzant I need to put the belts on and need that ~2000 motor position and no idea where ...

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 5:09 PM

You'll find it in the Rhino config software, not TelemFFB. I think it's labeled raw_y and raw_x

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 5:10 PM

Beyond that I'll have to defer to the other green names in here

Diverzant•7/5/24, 5:10 PM

both have nothing except -

Diverzant•7/5/24, 5:11 PM

pot_1 and 2 are working and the big red button

DDiverzant Yep 😄

RoboGeoff•7/5/24, 5:17 PM

Wow. You're up and running already?

RRoboGeoff Wow. You're up and running already?

Diverzant•7/5/24, 5:18 PM

um nope. Motor X: OK Motor Y: Offline

DDiverzant um nope. Motor X: OK Motor Y: Offline 😄

HiobOP•7/5/24, 5:23 PM

Double checked the wiring?

HHiob Double checked the wiring?

Diverzant•7/5/24, 5:24 PM

Yep. only one green lamp thats MOT2

HiobOP•7/5/24, 5:25 PM

hmm… it sucks, but I guess you have to check all connections again.

NNumber481 IMHO, even with regular sprung joysticks, curves are not the right solution to t...

Reed•7/5/24, 6:01 PM

I’ve adjusted saturation, not curves in dcs and had no issues with rhino or teleffb. What doesn’t work about it ?

Wwalmis Yeah curves + dynamic trim offset doesn't make sense. I've researched into that ...

amadeus•7/5/24, 6:11 PM

I imagine curves could only be something done in telemffb or the configurator, at the firmware/hardware level before it reaches DCS

RReed I’ve adjusted saturation, not curves in dcs and had no issues with rhino or tele...

Number481•7/5/24, 6:13 PM

same thing that happens with curves. The scaled axis position is not translated to FFB center offset so when you release the force trim button, the axis jumps to the scaled equivalent of where you let go.

Might not be apparent with fixed wing.

Reed•7/5/24, 6:21 PM

I havent had this issue at all with my rhino or software, using in game ffb or force hardware override. I only fly helicopters. Very weird.

Reed•7/5/24, 6:22 PM

right now I ve got the uh60 at 70 y saturation, so the physical stick doesnt move to 100% deflection to get the ingame stick to move to 100%.

Reed•7/5/24, 6:22 PM

I ve got the oh58 using 90%

Reed•7/5/24, 6:22 PM

no curves are used at all, as that does mess with things in my experience

RReed I havent had this issue at all with my rhino or software, using in game ffb or ...

Number481•7/5/24, 6:26 PM

Hardware trim doesn't count since there is no physical relationship between the trimmed position and the in-game axis position. You might not notice it at %90, but try Y saturation at %50, you will see what I mean

To give you an idea - When I disassembled the gimbal to change the stick connector to my "stubby" ve

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