Windows obviously breaks ABI less often, but it's just two distros
Windows obviously breaks ABI less often, but it's just two distros
Hbecause of how dumb peculiar the linker is on linux, it's significantly harder to support multiple distros
Hon windows you can at least be reasonably sure a random update won't explode your software
Twill uninstall your drivers sometimes tho
A"just two distros bruh"
AEvery single package is different
Hflatpak and nix are simpler in that regard but they have their own issues
AWhat's simpler about nix that's even worse
Hin the specific "it won't explode after an update" regard
AWindows 10 vs 11 is like Ubuntu 20 vs 24
KFlatpak is for sure the future of GUI application packaging on Linux
ANot Ubuntu vs fedora
KLittle reason to do stuff the old way
AYou added support for 20 on 2020 and now you maintain it while adding support for 24
CValve's runtimes are already Ubuntu
AIt might not explode after the fact
KI don't have any experience with linux dev yet, but I heard some game developer ranting about fedora in specific on how it named shared libs
AIt will explode a million times before the fact
AAnd on every single update
ASource: have a package on nix
Hoh yeah no im not arguing with that lmao
Hnixos unstable is a minefield
SShared libs are a bit of a cancer everywhere, though, and that's why Flatpak, despite some contention, is nice for graphical apps
H"haha louis i added ñ to release name and now none of the .net tooling works anymore"
CSo it's one stable ABI and another tentative leading edge one, which is work that will have to be done anyway as things get deprecated
AThey also broke a million conventions
AThen claim they're POSIX compliant or something
Hdo they? i haven't seen that in the handbook at least
SI think NixOS explicitly states they are NOT POSIX compliant
Hyeah
Hit's pretty much the point
AMore like "oh you're supposed to use env" to get executables
AAnyway it's a pain and I hate it
Hyou can boot with like, /boot and /etc/nixos being the only existing paths
that's about as cursed as it can be
that's about as cursed as it can be
KI see, from what I heard if I remember correctly, from Casey Muratori is to just static libs, at least for games it seems fairly reasonable since they already use a bunch of storage anyways
Hglibc still has to be dynamically linked unfortunately
Hand glibc is a giant source of pain
SI was using NixOS until some time ago, but honestly, all the workarounds needed to get some stuff working weren't worth being able to say "I use a fully declarative distro" to brag to my friends and strangers on the internet
Hi find the pointless tinkering fun, and generally the concept is interesting
but it's nowhere near adoption ready lmao, and it probably will never be
but it's nowhere near adoption ready lmao, and it probably will never be
AWell people decide to run it on their handhelds as a Linux experiment
AAnd I get the support workload
Hfun as an experiment on desktop and ok for ci
CI really don't get the point of setting up a declarative system for one deployment
CFor a bunch of systems it's extremely cool, but for desktop?
SAlso, latest drama pushed me further away. Now I'm using a version of Fedora Atomic, because it seems I love having to use workarounds to do basic stuff, like setting a QMK dev environment
Hthere's no practical merit on the desktop aside from being able to reconstruct the system if you do something incredibly stupid
Heg dd'ing your main drive
Hbut yeah honestly the only truly practical applications is either deploying a fuckton of machines without manual work, or CI style stuff
CWhy don't people just install Gentoo instead? lol
Hbecause gentoo has all of the issues of regular distros with none of the benefits?
Hxd
