I see, from what I heard if I remember correctly, from Casey Muratori is to just static libs, at lea

I see, from what I heard if I remember correctly, from Casey Muratori is to just static libs, at least for games it seems fairly reasonable since they already use a bunch of storage anyways

KKero I see, from what I heard if I remember correctly, from Casey Muratori is to just...

halva•7/7/24, 7:06 PM

glibc still has to be dynamically linked unfortunately

halva•7/7/24, 7:06 PM

and glibc is a giant source of pain

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:07 PM

I was using NixOS until some time ago, but honestly, all the workarounds needed to get some stuff working weren't worth being able to say "I use a fully declarative distro" to brag to my friends and strangers on the internet

halva•7/7/24, 7:07 PM

i find the pointless tinkering fun, and generally the concept is interesting
but it's nowhere near adoption ready lmao, and it probably will never be

antheas•7/7/24, 7:08 PM

Well people decide to run it on their handhelds as a Linux experiment

antheas•7/7/24, 7:08 PM

And I get the support workload

halva•7/7/24, 7:08 PM

fun as an experiment on desktop and ok for ci

Crono•7/7/24, 7:08 PM

I really don't get the point of setting up a declarative system for one deployment

Crono•7/7/24, 7:08 PM

For a bunch of systems it's extremely cool, but for desktop?

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:08 PM

Also, latest drama pushed me further away. Now I'm using a version of Fedora Atomic, because it seems I love having to use workarounds to do basic stuff, like setting a QMK dev environment

CCrono I really don't get the point of setting up a declarative system for one deployme...

halva•7/7/24, 7:08 PM

there's no practical merit on the desktop aside from being able to reconstruct the system if you do something incredibly stupid

halva•7/7/24, 7:09 PM

eg dd'ing your main drive

halva•7/7/24, 7:10 PM

but yeah honestly the only truly practical applications is either deploying a fuckton of machines without manual work, or CI style stuff

Crono•7/7/24, 7:11 PM

Why don't people just install Gentoo instead? lol

halva•7/7/24, 7:12 PM

because gentoo has all of the issues of regular distros with none of the benefits?

halva•7/7/24, 7:12 PM

Crono•7/7/24, 7:12 PM

But if the practical benefit is bragging rights

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:13 PM

I used to run Gentoo, many, many years ago. It seems it's a trend of me really liking using gimmicky stuff that has little to no benefit

KeroOP•7/7/24, 7:13 PM

Oh talking about declarative stuff, I trashed my distrobox the other day trying to install and get Docker working for Microsoft thing and ended learning about the .ini stuff
After a night fighting it because I was already dumbed down of working for a bunch of straight hours at that point, there's one thing I couldn't figure out...
The Distrobox is using Fedora and I can't add the Microsoft .repo on the ini file

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:13 PM

Leaving the PC running all night to compile a browser is really fun

CCrono But if the practical benefit is bragging rights

halva•7/7/24, 7:13 PM

i mean if that's the goal then sure

SSou Suzumi Also, latest drama pushed me further away. Now I'm using a version of Fedora Ato...

KeroOP•7/7/24, 7:14 PM

Same here hah

KKero Oh talking about declarative stuff, I trashed my distrobox the other day trying ...

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

Yeah, I was wondering here, I think I'll need to run Docker, and was thinking on how to best approach it. So the better solution is to use distrobox and install docker inside it, right?

CCrono For a bunch of systems it's extremely cool, but for desktop?

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

Nixos manages to solve an issue that many distros have. And that is dependency hell

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

A container inside a container

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

Containerception

Hhalva there's no practical merit on the desktop aside from being able to reconstruct t...

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

people have been doing this for years, for some reason new nix users think that you have to use nix to do this, which is weird.

SSou Suzumi Also, latest drama pushed me further away. Now I'm using a version of Fedora Ato...

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

iirc I set up QMK without any problem

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

My desktop comes up the exact way I want on install every time, I'm not using nix.

SSou Suzumi Yeah, I was wondering here, I think I'll need to run Docker, and was thinking on...

KeroOP•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

I don't know I ended up layering it with ostree

Jj0rge people have been doing this for years, for some reason new nix users think that ...

halva•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

true but like
i don't like ansible and other stuff lmao

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

Just in a distrobox, I had no problem

halva•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

mostly because i can't even install it here without hoops

Hhalva true but like i don't like ansible and other stuff lmao

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

don't like it either, that's why we built on bash and python instead of ansible, if ublue was built on ansible then that'd be cool, but no one would contribute

KKasher_CS iirc I set up QMK without any problem

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

I tried installing and setting it up through pip but got rekt by the dependencies, probably because it can´t deal with ostree shenanigans

KeroOP•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

I couldn't get it working through containerception lol

KKero I couldn't get it working through containerception lol

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

if you're doing a bunch of that stuff it might make sense to just make your own container image

KeroOP•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

The issue was the systemd service having an error

SSou Suzumi I tried installing and setting it up through pip but got rekt by the dependencie...

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

Ah, makes sense than

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

Systemd?

KKero I couldn't get it working through containerception lol

Crono•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

I read contraception, had to double take

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

I think I set it up through pip as well, just, through an F40 distrobox

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

So I was thinking of using the docker thing, but then I don´t have docker. I´d need to either layer it (which is not recommended) or do some weird stuff like containerception

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

I think I had the same issue, had to add the --additional-packages systemd--additional-packages systemd

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

Oh you don't have it set up yet, in that case, distrobox works

Jj0rge don't like it either, that's why we built on bash and python instead of ansible,...

halva•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

eh, preferences

im not doing anything serious anyway

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

I always just steal what someone else is doing

halva•7/7/24, 7:19 PM

nix is pretty much a hobby with a possibility of it being a marketable skill for me

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:19 PM

As I mentioned, it's the manly urge of using weird distros that require obtuse workarounds to do things that you can do with a single command in other distros

Sou Suzumi•7/7/24, 7:19 PM

For little to no benefit

I see, from what I heard if I remember correctly, from Casey Muratori is to just static libs, at lea

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