i fly msfs 100%, the ffb is great for trimming. you hold the sick back to climb and trim to relieve

i fly msfs 100%, the ffb is great for trimming. you hold the sick back to climb and trim to relieve pressure. also the stick force increases with airflow over the control surfaces. pedals too. this is all in GA craft, i dont do airliners so i dont know how those would feel.

CapnFlint•7/8/24, 2:41 AM

I've been not paying attention for a bit. Are there any updated recommended settings from Heatblur for Rhino/F4 yet?

WWhiteHawk77 There’s a number of Rhino MSFS videos on YouTube. You are aware though that Air...

AV8•7/8/24, 6:46 AM

Awesome information. Thank you. I will look out for more videos on youtube. Any videos I have seen to date are people with little experience flying, so they are overwhelmed with the joy of trying something new (just like trying VR for the first time). That wears off quickly and you begin to work out the pro's and con's of the device you are controlling / wearing. What I am truly after is the most realistic feeling of flying the Airbus aircraft. I imagine the magic is in the software. So if the software has not been written yet to mimic the fly by wire feeling, then I'm sure it's only a matter of time before that happens.

AV8•7/8/24, 6:49 AM

I do join in group flights occasionally so having the FFB base for the Spitfire and Messerschmitt Bf 109 would be amazing. I have not tried flying helicopters yet, I feel very intimidated by the learning curve, but who knows, maybe in the future...

AAV8 I do join in group flights occasionally so having the FFB base for the Spitfire ...

SamNFTY•7/8/24, 6:55 AM

FFB will def improve your feeling in the warbirds! With helo's, I suggest watching a few of Camso's videos (link below). He explains helo flying in a very easy to understand way. Couple that with the FFB and I think you'll quickly pickup and enjoy helo's
https://youtube.com/@casmotv?si=upJGAbPCFIOizSbd

YouTube

CasmoTV

I flew Apaches, Kiowas and now I fly 737s and make videos on YouTube…

AAV8 Awesome information. Thank you. I will look out for more videos on youtube. Any ...

SamNFTY•7/8/24, 7:08 AM

I think you are right that the Airbus magic is in their software, but as I understand it, that doesn't change the feel of their side stick. I don't believe there is any feedback in the stick, except maybe a stick shaker. Aside from that, I this it's just a sprung joystick like you would feel with a stock Winwing, VKB, or Virpil.

SamNFTY•7/8/24, 7:15 AM

This Reddit thread is short, but explains how there really isn't much feedback through the stick.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/VfcV6N9PTM

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SSamNFTY FFB will def improve your feeling in the warbirds! With helo's, I suggest watchi...

Flo-Soft•7/8/24, 7:17 AM

I guess you meant CaSMoTV - at CaMSo I only get offered tires for aircraft baggage carts...

FFlo-Soft I guess you meant CaSMoTV - at CaMSo I only get offered tires for aircraft bagga...

SamNFTY•7/8/24, 7:18 AM

Good point. Link added

Ssmitty i fly msfs 100%, the ffb is great for trimming. you hold the sick back to climb...

Arno•7/8/24, 7:25 AM

With airliners it is all over the place. In a 737, not trimming might result in forces that are not controllable due to mechanical linkage. If your engines are under the wing, you theoretically also need to trim out thrust moment changes. In pure hydraulic planes it depends on design. In the 777, you trim for speed but not for thrust. In the MD11, it will automatically trim away small forces but not large ones. And Airbus FBW involves no trimming while flying at all. Any planes that are pure hydraulic will not feed back aerodynamic forces, but usually implement some kind of spring rate that depends on indicated airspeed (even with unreliable airspeed).

AArno With airliners it is all over the place. In a 737, not trimming might result in ...

Flo-Soft•7/8/24, 7:39 AM

So a FFB stick for the airbus would make sense in that way that the simulated "spring strength" could be increased and decreased according to the indicated airspeed?

Arno•7/8/24, 7:40 AM

No the airbus is fixed spring

AV8•7/8/24, 7:41 AM

Thank you to all that have replied to my questions. Everyday I'm learning more.

Arno•7/8/24, 7:43 AM

But the airbus FBW stick has a very hydraulic feel, which you can not replicate with just a spring. I fly a320 fleet IRL, but have a VKB sidestick with a stiffer spring, it is close enough for my budget. But it is not perfect.

Flo-Soft•7/8/24, 7:47 AM

Do you know how the stick in the real airbus provides this hydraulic feel? Are there some kind of oil dampers attached?

Arno•7/8/24, 7:49 AM

No, I never looked, but I am certain there are people on this forum who have all the technical documentation. There are people here that know pretty much everything about controls

AArno But the airbus FBW stick has a very hydraulic feel, which you can not replicate ...

SamNFTY•7/8/24, 8:29 AM

I'll bet some kinda hydraulic damper like on the MFG crosswind would add that feel

AAV8 Thank you to all that have replied to my questions. Everyday I'm learning more. ...

Dracks•7/8/24, 11:05 AM

Having said that, I think it also depends on the needs expressed by @AV8. Does he just want the feel of the stick (close to the real Airbus stick) or is he looking for greater immersion? (And the choice is getting bigger: VR, motion system, etc.).

As some have said, an FFB just for the feel of the stick might be a bit much when cheaper alternatives exist.
Whatever the case, he should find what he's looking for, whether in FFB or other systems

AndyHill•7/8/24, 11:47 AM

apparently the sidestick is a pretty complicated thing just so that you can get a good feel for the non-ffb stick

AndyHill•7/8/24, 11:47 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Airbus/comments/zq8zpi/a320_side_stick_pulled_from_plane_last_night_had/

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AndyHill•7/8/24, 11:49 AM

I just read somewhere that when you activate the autopilot solenoids would immobilize the stick (up to a point), that's something only FFB can do in a home simulator

FlyingEstee•7/8/24, 6:16 PM

FedEx messed up and had my base for 5 extra days but glad it is finally here

amadeus•7/8/24, 6:21 PM

hold the stick before starting the mission

Aamadeus _hold the stick before starting the mission_

Hiob•7/8/24, 6:33 PM

Yeah, the good old hit in the nuts…..

HHiob Yeah, the good old hit in the nuts…..🥲

Touch_Of_Legend•7/8/24, 6:52 PM

Riiiiinnng the bells!!

Bozo VFA-86•7/8/24, 6:52 PM

BBozo VFA-86 Click to see attachment

Stryker990•7/8/24, 9:03 PM

What u cant see: that plane is currently at 38k and bro just put it into a right left snaproll followed by a zoomclimb and then a weightless dive :Jeremiahmeme:

Bob Bushman•7/8/24, 9:13 PM

Guess he's driving the vomit comet.

Fr4Ged•7/8/24, 9:20 PM

can't tell if this is a real Airbus or a well made sim pit...
I guess the slacks and the gold watch tell me it is a real pilot.

Stryker990•7/8/24, 9:21 PM

Replacement ww adapter is maybe arriving tomorrow :poggerschelm3m:

Stryker990•7/8/24, 9:21 PM

After a week without rhino i hopefully can go back

SSamNFTY I'll bet some kinda hydraulic damper like on the MFG crosswind would add that fe...

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden•7/8/24, 10:04 PM

yeah Iooks like you are right

Stryker990•7/8/24, 10:04 PM

Skydrol :Jeremiahmeme:

HornetDRIVER•7/8/24, 10:06 PM

I fear no man…. But Skydrol? It scares me….

MMistic Yes lol. Turns out MSFS you have to unbind your axis and let trim do its thing. ...

BSS_Shadow_73•7/8/24, 10:33 PM

I'm having this issue right now as well. I've tried everything, binding/unbinding, assigning/in assigning, still no solution. Quite frustrating. If you wouldn't mind offering a hand with this I'd really appreciate it! Please send me a Discord PM. Thanks!

voidkitty•7/8/24, 11:15 PM

Here's another look at the side stick mechanism: https://youtu.be/TRxCxjABADg?feature=shared

YouTubeBen Lim

Anatomy of an Airbus sidestick

The Airbus sidestick is not a simple joystick. Each axis is connected to a transducer which relays electrical signals to the ailerons and elevators. In addition there is a solenoid which is activated when Autopilot is engaged preventing the sidestick from moving. However, apply enough force and the AP and solenoid will disengaged.

The genuine ...

smittyOP•7/8/24, 11:16 PM

oh no! its laying on its side!! its gonna leak the Skydrolllll!!!!!!

WhiteHawk77•7/8/24, 11:43 PM

Just found this answer to a question about Airbus stick resistance:

“The figures copied from an Airbus publication and converted to pounds are:

Breakout force: 1.1 pounds

Pitch: Fore and aft. +/- 16 degrees 22.5 pounds

Roll: Outboard 20 degrees 5.6 pounds.

Roll: Inboard 20 degrees 7.8 pounds.

Note that the force is different for inboard and outboard roll. Airbus found during development that your arm is stronger moving inboard than outboard and fine tuned the forces to make left and right roll feel the same. Try moving the stick left and right holding it from above next time you are at work, you can clearly feel the force difference.”

Would it be possible to replicate this reasonably well? Is it even possible in the software to have a different amount of force between left and right?

SSamNFTY FFB will def improve your feeling in the warbirds! With helo's, I suggest watchi...

=БК=Antony [99]•7/8/24, 11:48 PM

Camo say's Kayowa has perfect FM

Ssmitty oh no! its laying on its side!! its gonna leak the Skydrolllll!!!!!!

HornetDRIVER•7/9/24, 12:32 AM

https://tenor.com/view/kyoshi-gif-25351466

Tenor

WWhiteHawk77 Just found this answer to a question about Airbus stick resistance: “The figure...

smittyOP•7/9/24, 12:38 AM

easy to make left/right different

Bozo VFA-86•7/9/24, 1:06 AM

Airbus ish

mechsicko•7/9/24, 4:26 AM

MIssed a perfect opportunity to say Airbussy

HHiob Yeah, the good old hit in the nuts…..🥲

Booker•7/9/24, 7:17 AM

https://youtu.be/UKFVGmZNvXE?si=F9NTju7m5ww0q-e4

YouTubeTeam OWE

Playing a game of wack fuck

hsth•7/9/24, 7:34 AM

//info

Stryker990•7/9/24, 8:59 AM

Yay confirmed adapter arrives today :poggerschelm3m:

VPforceBot•7/9/24, 9:02 AM

:package:

RHINO #0616 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•7/9/24, 9:02 AM

:package:

RHINO #0617 Has Shipped!

Hiob•7/9/24, 10:14 AM

Hey, could somebody who has a 57er Motor not yet built in do me a favor and weigh it for me? The more precise the better. Kitchen scale will do though. Thank you!

PokePoke•7/9/24, 10:54 AM

ok I will do you that favor and can you do me a favor too?

PokePoke•7/9/24, 10:57 AM

sorry

i fly msfs 100%, the ffb is great for trimming. you hold the sick back to climb and trim to relieve

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