HDidn't know that "M6 ball plungers" were a thing. That opens up whole new ideas.....
Jtheres also a video for the cm2 version, you can find that by finding other videos from the same author on youtube.
HAlready took a look at the 3D files and the instruction. The principle is easy. The execution is brilliant. Though I will modify the design a bit to mount it to the outer screws. Because the inner screws hold some cables and you need to open the whole throttle to tidy that up...... and I need a "quick-release" for helo flying. (or hurry the f up with my cyclic).....
SYay adapter has arrived 
.... Now i only gotta survive the rest of the working day and the travel home :CheshireXD:
.... Now i only gotta survive the rest of the working day and the travel home :CheshireXD:
WExcellent, cheers.
WHoly moly, the waiting list just dropped 91 in three days , that makes 179 in about a month, wow.
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Speople will regret. latest when they get to directly compare FFB effects of rhino with effects of "put in other brand here".
Sbut its good for the ones that persist
Swhat i ask myself is "why leave the waiting line for a product that there are EXCLUSIVELY positive reviews for something that NOONE knows the quality from yet.
Xsimilar situation in Simracing market, there are plenty of vendors, but only one provide best performance, mostly due to software. So same thing here, there might be a lot of competitors that does virtually same thing, but software rules them out
JWhat's crazier to me is leaving before in depth reviews are in on the new FFB base
JUnless their decision is purely price wise and it isn't a preference of quality, but one of "I can more easily afford this"
XI think “DIY” part scares off people, if it had “aviation grade” housing and fancy looks, people won’t drop off
Jit didn't scare them enough to not get into the list. The way to get into the list leaves little room to wonder what they're signing up for either
XMoza is pretty crap smracing company, it’s low tier, I don’t expect anything good from them,. Winwing - not sure, pretty sure they will have pretty bad software, but Chinese are good at copying
XI signed up originally for Rhino before I got printer, now as I get more in-depth into it, I would still love original Walmis creation, but DIY is more interesting/appealing to me since the purchase, not because of price or anything, just to be able to learn something new
Xpretty sure this is all “hype” and stuff, those new companies with FFB gonna play catch up. There is always a buyer for every market.
Xand the community… take a look at Moza/Winwing support, compare to golden standard of VPForce 
Xthis project alone has taught me so much that even if I switch at some point to Rhino v2, I’m going to enclose first one built into plexi box for show off, kudos to everyone involved!
HDIYing the Rhino (with help of a kit) learned me so much and gave me so much ideas already…. That experience alone was worth it. And I completely agree - the software quality and support will make or break a great FFB product.
AI am about to drop off if my DIY works out.....
BI'm sure it will
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VHas anyone here switched from having an extension to just having a grip mounted directly on the Rhino? If so, any observations on what to expect (except maybe higher felt force due to shorter lever)?
I'm asking because I've now broken my second VKB adapter and am thinking of making a metal adapter and just getting rid of the extension entirely.
I'm asking because I've now broken my second VKB adapter and am thinking of making a metal adapter and just getting rid of the extension entirely.
BI think I lost almost half the felt nm when I added a 10cm extension, so if force is a big deal I recommend as little of an extension as possible. that said it's not weak yet by any means really.
the extension is to help me get the grip exactly where I want it for comfort, so not using it would require some finagling
the extension is to help me get the grip exactly where I want it for comfort, so not using it would require some finagling
VAbout the positioning, I'll move my base a bit upwards to compensate the lack of 20cm extension. I'm more interested to hear from anyone that flies helos has removing the extension resulted in having less precision in the controls?
When I flew with the VKB base with cams and springs, having longer lever helped in keeping the grip where I wanted. Now with the FFB, I've only flown with 20cm extension so I don't know how it behaves with just grip and the Rhino. Is it enough or is extension still recommended for flying helos?
When I flew with the VKB base with cams and springs, having longer lever helped in keeping the grip where I wanted. Now with the FFB, I've only flown with 20cm extension so I don't know how it behaves with just grip and the Rhino. Is it enough or is extension still recommended for flying helos?
BNah, even completely without an extension it has what is comparatively to other sticks a 10cm extension.
After adding my extension I have had to dial in the throw range quite a bit cause my fat self is interfering
After adding my extension I have had to dial in the throw range quite a bit cause my fat self is interfering
VThat's reassuring to hear. I do have 13 degree limiter plate already installed so if needed I can always remove it if the throw will be too short
BYeah, Think I'm running 70% roll and 60% pitch at the moment..
So if I'm loosing anything it's because of that.
I might have to modify my seat cushion and figure some way to do a t-slot mount solution so I can adjust height, back and forth position of it to get it
just right, I might ideally not need the extension and gain back som range, hopefully.
So if I'm loosing anything it's because of that.
I might have to modify my seat cushion and figure some way to do a t-slot mount solution so I can adjust height, back and forth position of it to get it
just right, I might ideally not need the extension and gain back som range, hopefully.
SI've bought the VKB adapter in advance of receiving a Rhino. If the adapter is apt to fail in normal use seems an alternative all-metal unit is needed.
Ahasn't failed for me but I don't know if it counts as anything like normal
AI did break one of the earlier ones in a good W-F competition, but the new ones are a bit stronger
AI don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, though, since if something has to break it's probably for the best if it's the adapter
CI don't run an extension, but have had no issues with my adapter. My guess is the poor connection design from VKB and long extension put a lot of stress on the adapter. And like Andy said above better for that to break than the actual vkb grip.
SWell I have the MCG Ultimate grip which is metal. The issue remains that it would be ideal to have the VKB adapter done in metal as an option. More expensive no doubt but the current adapter is not cheap either.
CNot disagreeing that it could be a nice option. I'm just not sure it is necessary for most use cases. I wouldn't worry about it too much. If they were all constantly failing Walmis would have had a solution asap. Also the metal grip vs plastic is not the concern for VKB breaking. It's the connection for the grip that to me has always been underwhelming. I do think the new Rev C are much better, but it's obvious that even VKB agrees it's not the best as they have been updating it so much.
NI think that's simply too much extension for an adapter with plastic threads
NI would only consider using a TM extension pre-adapter for all extension needs, not a metal vkb extension after adapter
NStock MCGU without extension is plenty of fine control, didn't notice that much of a difference from using a short z-extension
NThe only concern was with the pads, which rev.C eliminated entirely, grip fastener offers plenty of clamping force to hold a MCGU
CThe pad connection was an issue cause the clamp design allows minor movement in the stick especially at full deflection.
NI don't.......what? Lol
NThat's literally just an improperly tightened grip fastener
NEven an MCGU on the end of an extension should not have play, even slightly, at any grip fastener in the overall assembly
M@nubbins is right. I have the MCGU with the adapter, too. Given the sheer height of the MCGU, the additional length of the adapter itself, attached to an already tall arm of the Rhino, there is about 150mm of extension from the gimble to the stick. That's plenty of fine control. I, too, would be wary of putting an extension on top of the adapter; if an extension is necessary for your rig, would be preferable to use a Warthog/Virpil compatible extension with the adapter on top. All this being said, while the Rhino is strong at 100 %, I've yet to sense any flex or creaking in the VKB adapter under load. I typically run master gain at about 60 to 65 %, anyway. 100% strength is novel to play with, but can be more distracting than informative in every day flying.
NI did put the 100mm back on top to see how it fared, and the plastic threads of the adapter seem ok. But I am also using pretty much exclusively the metal grip connector. Dunno how the stock vpforce one would fare
N200mm + what rhino has is a lot of extension
VYeah, that's my conclusion too after two collars shearing off. I even reduced overall force (with helo flying I rarely go above 50% deflection) and heavily reduce TelemFFB effects just to reduce the possibility of the vibrations exacerbating the effect.
I think even if just the collar was metal it would have been fine, but anyway I'll dump the extension after reading all your feedback on the topic.
I think even if just the collar was metal it would have been fine, but anyway I'll dump the extension after reading all your feedback on the topic.