Has anyone here switched from having an extension to just having a grip mounted directly on the Rhin

Has anyone here switched from having an extension to just having a grip mounted directly on the Rhino? If so, any observations on what to expect (except maybe higher felt force due to shorter lever)?

I'm asking because I've now broken my second VKB adapter and am thinking of making a metal adapter and just getting rid of the extension entirely.

Bob Bushman•7/10/24, 2:07 PM

I think I lost almost half the felt nm when I added a 10cm extension, so if force is a big deal I recommend as little of an extension as possible. that said it's not weak yet by any means really.
the extension is to help me get the grip exactly where I want it for comfort, so not using it would require some finagling

VakarianOP•7/10/24, 2:10 PM

About the positioning, I'll move my base a bit upwards to compensate the lack of 20cm extension. I'm more interested to hear from anyone that flies helos has removing the extension resulted in having less precision in the controls?
When I flew with the VKB base with cams and springs, having longer lever helped in keeping the grip where I wanted. Now with the FFB, I've only flown with 20cm extension so I don't know how it behaves with just grip and the Rhino. Is it enough or is extension still recommended for flying helos?

VVakarian About the positioning, I'll move my base a bit upwards to compensate the lack of...

Bob Bushman•7/10/24, 2:13 PM

Nah, even completely without an extension it has what is comparatively to other sticks a 10cm extension.
After adding my extension I have had to dial in the throw range quite a bit cause my fat self is interfering

VakarianOP•7/10/24, 2:15 PM

That's reassuring to hear. I do have 13 degree limiter plate already installed so if needed I can always remove it if the throw will be too short

Bob Bushman•7/10/24, 2:27 PM

Yeah, Think I'm running 70% roll and 60% pitch at the moment..
So if I'm loosing anything it's because of that.
I might have to modify my seat cushion and figure some way to do a t-slot mount solution so I can adjust height, back and forth position of it to get it

just right, I might ideally not need the extension and gain back som range, hopefully.

VVakarian Has anyone here switched from having an extension to just having a grip mounted ...

Sudeebare•7/10/24, 3:41 PM

I've bought the VKB adapter in advance of receiving a Rhino. If the adapter is apt to fail in normal use seems an alternative all-metal unit is needed.

AndyHill•7/10/24, 3:42 PM

hasn't failed for me but I don't know if it counts as anything like normal

AndyHill•7/10/24, 3:43 PM

I did break one of the earlier ones in a good W-F competition, but the new ones are a bit stronger

AndyHill•7/10/24, 3:43 PM

I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, though, since if something has to break it's probably for the best if it's the adapter

SSudeebare I've bought the VKB adapter in advance of receiving a Rhino. If the adapter is ...

Col. Sanders•7/10/24, 4:00 PM

I don't run an extension, but have had no issues with my adapter. My guess is the poor connection design from VKB and long extension put a lot of stress on the adapter. And like Andy said above better for that to break than the actual vkb grip.

CCol. Sanders I don't run an extension, but have had no issues with my adapter. My guess is th...

Sudeebare•7/10/24, 6:23 PM

Well I have the MCG Ultimate grip which is metal. The issue remains that it would be ideal to have the VKB adapter done in metal as an option. More expensive no doubt but the current adapter is not cheap either.

SSudeebare Well I have the MCG Ultimate grip which is metal. The issue remains that it woul...

Col. Sanders•7/10/24, 6:40 PM

Not disagreeing that it could be a nice option. I'm just not sure it is necessary for most use cases. I wouldn't worry about it too much. If they were all constantly failing Walmis would have had a solution asap. Also the metal grip vs plastic is not the concern for VKB breaking. It's the connection for the grip that to me has always been underwhelming. I do think the new Rev C are much better, but it's obvious that even VKB agrees it's not the best as they have been updating it so much.

VVakarian About the positioning, I'll move my base a bit upwards to compensate the lack of...

nubbins•7/10/24, 6:42 PM

I think that's simply too much extension for an adapter with plastic threads

nubbins•7/10/24, 6:42 PM

I would only consider using a TM extension pre-adapter for all extension needs, not a metal vkb extension after adapter

nubbins•7/10/24, 6:43 PM

Stock MCGU without extension is plenty of fine control, didn't notice that much of a difference from using a short z-extension

CCol. Sanders Not disagreeing that it could be a nice option. I'm just not sure it is necessar...

nubbins•7/10/24, 6:44 PM

The only concern was with the pads, which rev.C eliminated entirely, grip fastener offers plenty of clamping force to hold a MCGU

Col. Sanders•7/10/24, 6:57 PM

The pad connection was an issue cause the clamp design allows minor movement in the stick especially at full deflection.

CCol. Sanders The pad connection was an issue cause the clamp design allows minor movement in ...

nubbins•7/10/24, 6:58 PM

I don't.......what? Lol

nubbins•7/10/24, 6:58 PM

That's literally just an improperly tightened grip fastener

nubbins•7/10/24, 6:58 PM

Even an MCGU on the end of an extension should not have play, even slightly, at any grip fastener in the overall assembly

Michael Nash•7/10/24, 7:00 PM

@nubbins is right. I have the MCGU with the adapter, too. Given the sheer height of the MCGU, the additional length of the adapter itself, attached to an already tall arm of the Rhino, there is about 150mm of extension from the gimble to the stick. That's plenty of fine control. I, too, would be wary of putting an extension on top of the adapter; if an extension is necessary for your rig, would be preferable to use a Warthog/Virpil compatible extension with the adapter on top. All this being said, while the Rhino is strong at 100 %, I've yet to sense any flex or creaking in the VKB adapter under load. I typically run master gain at about 60 to 65 %, anyway. 100% strength is novel to play with, but can be more distracting than informative in every day flying.

MMichael Nash @nubbins is right. I have the MCGU with the adapter, too. Given the sheer heig...

nubbins•7/10/24, 7:02 PM

I did put the 100mm back on top to see how it fared, and the plastic threads of the adapter seem ok. But I am also using pretty much exclusively the metal grip connector. Dunno how the stock vpforce one would fare

nubbins•7/10/24, 7:03 PM

200mm + what rhino has is a lot of extension

Nnubbins I think that's simply too much extension for an adapter with plastic threads

VakarianOP•7/10/24, 7:04 PM

Yeah, that's my conclusion too after two collars shearing off. I even reduced overall force (with helo flying I rarely go above 50% deflection) and heavily reduce TelemFFB effects just to reduce the possibility of the vibrations exacerbating the effect.

I think even if just the collar was metal it would have been fine, but anyway I'll dump the extension after reading all your feedback on the topic.

Dracks•7/10/24, 7:07 PM

Hello everyone, after trying out my 20, 10, 5 and 15 cm (5+10) extensions on my rig, I have to admit that what counts most is (of course) personal comfort. Between the mobility of the stick, my legs, my arm and wrist and all that put together well it's the 10 extension + grip combo that suits me best. No loss of manoeuvrability, in fact quite the opposite! In short, you really have to try out what suits you best.

VVakarian Yeah, that's my conclusion too after two collars shearing off. I even reduced ov...

nubbins•7/10/24, 7:09 PM

damn! 2 collars already? Have you experimented with different materials to print in, or nah

VakarianOP•7/10/24, 7:09 PM

Nah, I got ones from Walmis. Don't have printer unfortunately

nubbins•7/10/24, 7:09 PM

Actually overall I think the materials in rhino are fine for force, but the telemffb default strength of effects is bonkers (vibration)

nubbins•7/10/24, 7:10 PM

Can definitely see them doing the plastic parts in, with a long extension

Nnubbins Actually overall I think the materials in rhino are fine for force, but the tele...

Dracks•7/10/24, 7:16 PM

With my 10cm exentsion, I haven't noticed any problems with the Rhino joint. Is this also due to the frequent grip changes that some people make? Out of curiosity (ok ok also for a little fear) I printed the 3D part proposed by Walmis in 2 qualities (metal + black resin). I'll let you know how I use them soon

edit Virpil stuff

Old Prospector•7/10/24, 8:38 PM

Yea I am going to need a metal collar, I can tell

Vivid Clarity•7/10/24, 8:42 PM

Hello, does anyone know what the ETA is on the VPC Rhino if I were to preorder today?

AndyHill•7/10/24, 8:44 PM

all I know is that it's very hard to tell right now

AndyHill•7/10/24, 8:45 PM

there are quite a few people lining up, but apparently many of them don't follow through with their orders

amadeus•7/10/24, 8:56 PM

i would say anywhere from at least 4 months minimum, but probably not more than a year

amadeus•7/10/24, 8:56 PM

that's my handwavy guess xD

RoboGeoff•7/10/24, 8:59 PM

I think the orders have ticked down 200 spots in a little over a month

gtwgiorelli•7/10/24, 9:27 PM

Anyone here has the spitfire on dcs? The pitch axis center position is off, anyone knows how to edit the lua file to fix it?

VVivid Clarity Hello, does anyone know what the ETA is on the VPC Rhino if I were to preorder t...

Touch_Of_Legend•7/10/24, 9:40 PM

There is a bot you can ping or just search up for the last time someone else pinged it but the “average” is 200 days which is just about 7months from the day you join the list to the day it lands at your door.

As I said there’s a bot that shows the real life numbers and averages

Reed•7/10/24, 10:37 PM

https://youtu.be/C000yN71IWA?si=xJjpC7H7gShO2XkQ

YouTubeLimitless VR & Simrigs

VPforce Feedback Joystick Demo

Further testing with the VPforce Rhino, force feedback joystick base. Taking off from @TrentonPalmer house in the Kitfox Stage 2 - MSFS2020 and down to Reno airport, testing the software, a deeper dive into the settings plus, a look at the stick choices and what I feel works best.

VPforce: https://vpforcecontrols.com/
VPforce Rhino manual: htt...

RReed https://youtu.be/C000yN71IWA?si=xJjpC7H7gShO2XkQ

nubbins•7/10/24, 11:39 PM

very nice setup, but is this where the concern about vkb clamp "flexing" comes from? sounds like something is wrong with that particular z-extension, which is a custom design (from the reddit dude who wrapped his MCG Pro in bike tape?), should probably try another design perhaps TM-Rev.C instead of Rev.B-Rev.B or Rev.C-Rev.C

nubbins•7/10/24, 11:40 PM

using neok's z-extension design printed out of just normal PLA + walmis' rev.C adapter, there is no problem with flex or play

CapnFlint•7/11/24, 4:33 AM

Been a while since I checked - do we have an update on recommeded Rhino and DCS F4 settings from the Heatblur dev who got a Rhino?

VVakarian Nah, I got ones from Walmis. Don't have printer unfortunately 😦

walmis•7/11/24, 5:24 AM

Hey, put in an order request, I'll send you a couple of replacement collars

Stryker990•7/11/24, 8:17 AM

Not sure if that was ever asked but if u get the FFB kit for the MFG Crosswind will you be able to add a center detent in the software so you can feel when your rudder is centered?

SStryker990 Not sure if that was ever asked but if u get the FFB kit for the MFG Crosswind w...

walmis•7/11/24, 8:43 AM

It's possible with the current firmware

Stryker990•7/11/24, 8:45 AM

Hm you just got closer to be ~400€ richer :MurmKek:

Stryker990•7/11/24, 8:49 AM

Whats the current preorder time for the crosswind kit or is there none? (Seems quicker to make than a complete rhino)

ddrake1984•7/11/24, 8:49 AM

None at the moment

Stryker990•7/11/24, 9:30 AM

What modifications would i need to do to my crosswind to mount the ffb kit?

Has anyone here switched from having an extension to just having a grip mounted directly on the Rhin

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