Have two queues, one that handles API calls, then another that handles responses?

HHard@Work Have two queues, one that handles API calls, then another that handles responses...

berkinovish•7/22/24, 9:52 AM

This works indeed, but pushing to the queue gets also awaited. Pushing a message on the queue can take up to 1 second for us

Bberkinovish This works indeed, but pushing to the queue gets also awaited. Pushing a message...

Hard@WorkOP•7/22/24, 9:53 AM

Maybe set the batch sizes to be larger, so you can run multiple one after another?

Hard@WorkOP•7/22/24, 9:53 AM

Not a perfect fix, but should help a bit

HHard@Work Not a perfect fix, but should help a bit

berkinovish•7/22/24, 9:55 AM

Yeah, would help a bit, was wondering if we could get even more out of it. Batching + pushing to a separate queue is the best we can do then probably

Bberkinovish I have a queue with concurrency = 1, because we're rate limited by an external A...

dsp•7/22/24, 12:11 PM

That's exactally my problem. concurrency is a Myth. you have to wait for the whole batch to finish.

Ddsp That's exactally my problem. concurrency is a Myth. you have to wait for the who...

Matt Silverlock•7/22/24, 10:28 PM

That’s not true: we don’t (currently) autoscale if you have a consumer that is especially slow - the “wall clock” time of the consumer doesn’t yet feed into our autoscaling alg.

Batches are consumed concurrently.

You could consider working around this in the meantime by setting concurrency = 20 (the current maximum).

MMatt Silverlock That’s not true: we don’t (currently) _autoscale_ if you have a consumer that is...

dsp•7/23/24, 12:24 AM

Already tried. Doesn't work

Ddsp Already tried. Doesn't work 😦

Matt Silverlock•7/23/24, 12:25 AM

Have you opened a ticket so we can take a deeper look? (can’t see if you have shared your account & queue IDs here)

MMatt Silverlock Have you opened a ticket so we can take a deeper look? (can’t see if you have sh...

dsp•7/23/24, 12:26 AM

I think It's by design on your solution. I have some messages that take 20+ seconds to priocess and until the're not finished, another batch can't come.

Ddsp I think It's by design on your solution. I have some messages that take 20+ seco...

Matt Silverlock•7/23/24, 12:26 AM

It is not by design (I am telling you this concretely).

Matt Silverlock•7/23/24, 12:27 AM

If we’re not scaling out when a consumer is slow, it’s a bug.

MMatt Silverlock It is not by design (I am telling you this concretely).

dsp•7/23/24, 12:28 AM

So, I did what you said on the beginning. And because it was not working, I created 10+ producers and also 10+ consummers and balance the messages between then (e.g. I did by myself manually)

Ddsp So, I did what you said on the beginning. And because it was not working, I crea...

Matt Silverlock•7/23/24, 12:29 AM

Yes, but I am telling you we don’t think you should have to do this. “By design” assumes explicit intent

Ddsp So, I did what you said on the beginning. And because it was not working, I crea...

Matt Silverlock•7/23/24, 12:29 AM

If you want us to dive deeper help us help you! queues

MMatt Silverlock Yes, but I am telling you we don’t think you should have to do this. “By design”...

dsp•7/23/24, 12:29 AM

Oh, got it. But how can we solve this?

Brett Willis•7/24/24, 3:04 AM

Anyone notice that when using "List messages" for a queue in the dashboard, it never seems to respect the "Maximum batch size" entered there? E.g. if I enter "50" it returns 10 messages (when >50 are in the backlog), and if I enter "1" it returns 10 messages.

kev-ac•7/25/24, 8:45 PM

The 400msg/s limit of a queue is bound to the single producer, correct? If I bind for example 10 queues to the same producer/consumer worker and distribute messages among them I could handle 4000msg/s in a best-case scenario?

Kkev-ac The 400msg/s limit of a queue is bound to the single producer, correct? If I bin...

Pranshu Maheshwari•7/26/24, 4:09 PM

the limit is per queue. so you can manually shard / distribute messages across multiple queues yes, to get higher throughput. It's what a lot of folks do today. Although... higher queue limits are coming very soon!

PPranshu Maheshwari the limit is per queue. so you can manually shard / distribute messages across m...

kev-ac•7/26/24, 4:12 PM

Thanks for the clarification! What I did not notice before is that I'm also really limited by a separate factor here: The max. 6 outbound connection limit. The use case (votings) will produce multiple thousand messages in a minute or so. But the consumer side cannot push messages (in this case to an external backend) fast enough as it is limited to a maximum of 6 concurrent connections. And even worse it won't scale up the consumer concurrency from 1.

Kkev-ac Thanks for the clarification! What I did not notice before is that I'm also real...

Pranshu Maheshwari•7/26/24, 6:50 PM

ah gotcha, yeah the limit of 6 outbound connections is a hard one unfortunately.

Your consumers should scale up though; at the end of processing each batch of messages, queues checks if the consumer concurrency should be increased (based on looking at the backlog). There are a few reasons why it might not autoscale (listed on this page in the docs: https://developers.cloudflare.com/queues/configuration/consumer-concurrency/)

Lmk in case you're having trouble with autoscaling and I can help (just send me over your account ID and queue ID, both are safe to share here)

0xthierry•7/26/24, 7:30 PM

hey guys, I'm using cf queue, but I'm experiencing some delay to delivery the message, after publishing the message in the queue, the worker starts to process it after +30s. Do you have any idea about it?

João Castro•7/27/24, 5:33 AM

Same here, sometimes i'm experiencing minutes of delay for messages to be consumed

ZZA•7/29/24, 9:44 AM

Hello guys,
i'm trying to add event notifications to one of my buckets using the command

npx wrangler r2 bucket notification create <BUCKET_NAME> --event-type <EVENT_TYPE> --queue <QUEUE_NAME>

npx wrangler r2 bucket notification create <BUCKET_NAME> --event-type <EVENT_TYPE> --queue <QUEUE_NAME>

i'm getting a bucket not found error, because my bucket's jurisdiction is EU. but i can't see to find how i can specify that to wrangler r2 bucket notificationwrangler r2 bucket notification

any one has an idea how i can get this to possibly work ?

ZZZA Hello guys, i'm trying to add event notifications to one of my buckets using th...

kev-ac•7/29/24, 10:33 AM

Don't quote me on that but it may be possible that event notifications don't work on jurisdictional buckets yet. Super Slurper and Logpush are not supported right now, so it may also apply to Event notifications.

00xthierry hey guys, I'm using cf queue, but I'm experiencing some delay to delivery the me...

Pranshu Maheshwari•7/29/24, 3:30 PM

Could you send me your queue ID & acct ID? both are safe to share here

PPranshu Maheshwari Could you send me your queue ID & acct ID? both are safe to share here

João Castro•7/29/24, 3:41 PM

Since I seem to have a similar problem, i'm also sending my IDs in case it helps

Queue: 26149965a00b4a65a047794b2a28b3f2
Account: 978f7d8fe0d7c314743586a46e505f14

João Castro•7/29/24, 3:43 PM

This happened while running some load tests. Some messages took 20+ minutes to be processed

Kkev-ac Don't quote me on that but it may be possible that event notifications don't wor...

Pranshu Maheshwari•7/29/24, 6:20 PM

that's correct! thanks for highlighting this, I'll add it to the docs

Ben•7/30/24, 12:41 AM

So I see that we can have 10,000 queues per account enabling easy sharding:

More queues per account - up to 10,000
Developers building on Queues can now create up to 10,000 queues per account, enabling easier per-user, per-job and sharding use-cases.

Refer to Limits to learn more about Queues’ current limits.

What is the recommendationf for doing this?

Is it a worker-per-tenant situation

Or a binding-per-tenant.

Are there any resources for these approaches or are they still in progress thanks!

PPranshu Maheshwari the limit is per queue. so you can manually shard / distribute messages across m...

josh•7/30/24, 7:59 PM

is there a rough ETA when we will see the higher limits?

Jjosh is there a rough ETA when we will see the higher limits? 😆

Pranshu Maheshwari•7/31/24, 6:56 PM

we're actively working on it

i'll share news soon once I have concrete dates

rbravo•8/1/24, 3:26 AM

Can I have multiple consumers in one Worker, each one processing different queues?

Context:

I'm reading this in the docs:

Best practice
Configure a single consumer per queue. This both logically separates your queues, and ensures that errors (failures) in processing messages from one queue do not impact your other queues.

josh•8/1/24, 9:13 AM

I believe you can only have one consumer per worker but that worker can process multiple queues

“Notably, you can use the same consumer with multiple queues. The queue handler that defines your consumer Worker will be invoked by the queues it is connected to.”

lupin•8/1/24, 10:22 AM

Hey team ! I hope you're doing great ?

Is there an API to see how many data are remaining in the queue ? I only found this:

- https://developers.cloudflare.com/queues/observability/metrics/

Should we use the Get average Queue backlog over time period and query for the last 5 minutes ?

Cheers !

Cloudflare Docs

Metrics · Cloudflare Queues

You can view the metrics for a Queue on your account via the Cloudflare dashboard . Navigate to Workers > Queues > your Queue and under the Metrics …

PPranshu Maheshwari the limit is per queue. so you can manually shard / distribute messages across m...

Shivek•8/1/24, 2:05 PM

By manually sharding, you mean to have 2 or more queues for the same task?
Like NotificationsQueue0, NotificationsQueue1 and enque in a round-robin manner ?

Tobias•8/2/24, 10:34 AM

Is there any plans on making it so CloudFlare queues works when running wrangler dev --remote, if so what is the estimated timeframe for this?

Currently I am trying to setup a local development environment for running queues and CloudFlare Browser Rendering, but Browser Rendering requires --remote flag and Queues doesn't work with --remote flag. So I am kind of stuck in a limbo

TTobias Is there any plans on making it so CloudFlare queues works when running wrangler...

Pranshu Maheshwari•8/2/24, 2:32 PM

it's on our roadmap. we'll likely ship it in the next few months, but it's too soon to say exactly when

Ping for toast•8/4/24, 7:21 PM

How many fetch requests may I make from queues? I've found references to unbundled and bundled usage models, but these models are deprecated

PPing for toast How many fetch requests may I make from queues? I've found references to unbundl...

Pranshu Maheshwari•8/4/24, 9:29 PM

Queues consumers have the same limits as normal Workers (listed here: https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/platform/limits/#subrequests)

Cloudflare Docs

Limits · Cloudflare Workers docs

Cloudflare Workers plan and platform limits.

PPranshu Maheshwari Queues consumers have the same limits as normal Workers (listed here: https://de...

Ping for toast•8/4/24, 9:30 PM

The limit for subrequests a Worker can make is 50 per request on the Bundled usage model or 1,000 per request on the Unbound usage model

Right, but aren't these models deprecated

Ping for toast•8/4/24, 9:30 PM

All users on the Workers Paid plan have been automatically migrated from the Bundled and Unbound usage models to the Standard usage model

Ping for toast•8/4/24, 9:31 PM

So I don't know what applies because I'm on the standard model

Ping for toast•8/4/24, 9:31 PM

ah, found it

PPing for toast So I don't know what applies because I'm on the standard model

Pranshu Maheshwari•8/4/24, 9:31 PM

standard / legacy paid plans have the same limits btw

Ping for toast•8/4/24, 9:31 PM

docs should be updated :)

PPranshu Maheshwari standard / legacy paid plans have the same limits btw 🙂

Ping for toast•8/4/24, 9:31 PM

cool, thanks

Have two queues, one that handles API calls, then another that handles responses?

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