i wouldn't worry about it lining up exactly halfway between 0 and 4096. what you ultimately care abo

i wouldn't worry about it lining up exactly halfway between 0 and 4096. what you ultimately care about, is that your moveable range does not extend below 0 and above 4096

Aamadeus i wouldn't worry about it lining up exactly halfway between 0 and 4096. what you...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:22 PM

Makes sense!

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 9:22 PM

(talking about the raw_x/y values here)

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:22 PM

It was exceeding it until I moved the motor manually

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 9:22 PM

yeah, that's what i figured when you mentioned the center being so high

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:31 PM

Now to hopefully figure out how to get a Constant Spring effect instead of a progressive type effect

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 9:36 PM

what are you trying to accomplish?

Aamadeus what are you trying to accomplish?

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:55 PM

Have it act like a mag brake. The way it is now is more progressive, soft around center and “spring” gets stronger the farther out you go. I want it linear, same force over the entire range, primarily around central trimmed position though.

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:56 PM

I think I can accomplish this via curve

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 9:56 PM

hmm, you could mess with spring gain most likely to accomplish this

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 9:56 PM

not sure how well it would work in practice

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 9:57 PM

sounds to my untrained ear what you describe is a constant force not spring force

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 9:58 PM

constant force is only 1 force in one direction, what i belive bama wants is still something that acts like a spring, in that it centers

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 9:58 PM

but the force is always the same and not stronger as you move out

LLeLv30_Superbus sounds to my untrained ear what you describe is a **constant** force not spring ...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 9:58 PM

Yes but with the ability to recenter

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 10:00 PM

The couple min I had earlier looked like the spring gain curve would accomplish this, essentially the motors should always have the same amps

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 10:01 PM

Be careful if you play with a constant force - I just just set it to 50% and went to effects, set a static force and it almost hit me in the nuts - hard

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 10:01 PM

The reason I want this is for rotary aircraft

LeLv30_Superbus•7/26/24, 10:03 PM

If I had a cut-out in my seat, I wouldn't be here typing away happily

1142nd_Bama The reason I want this is for rotary aircraft

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 10:18 PM

what aircraft/sims are you planning to fly?

Aamadeus what aircraft/sims are you planning to fly?

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 10:25 PM

Dcs, mostly helicopters

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 10:26 PM

are you just not happy with the force feedback they are giving you? or are you just attempting to re-create the ideal experience outside of the game, for the game?

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 10:27 PM

i would say Apache and Kiowa both have pretty great FFB support, and you can use TelemFFB to refine it if necessary (can't speak for the other heli's tho)

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 10:30 PM

i.e. -- i personally wouldn't recommend fucking with spring gain for those modules

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 11:16 PM

All the effects and ffb are very nice, but I want a better “grab” at the central position. One reason is because I use a warthog stick in a 200mm ext so it flops around pretty easily. I did the spring balance thing and that helps but it’s sooo light in the center, even with springs high

Aamadeus i.e. -- i personally wouldn't recommend fucking with spring gain for those modul...

142nd_Bama•7/26/24, 11:17 PM

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 11:19 PM

oh yeah, 200mm with a heavy stick like that could be problematic, do you have spring gain cranked up?

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 11:19 PM

(also making sure if you have the pot dial for spring gain, that it too is up)

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 11:20 PM

reason i ask, is because out of the box apache for me is very strong centering

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 11:20 PM

i do have a heavy-ish grip (alpha prime) but no extension, and most likely not as heavy as the warthog

amadeusOP•7/26/24, 11:21 PM

another thing you could try is adding some damping force too

Reed•7/26/24, 11:21 PM

This is what i have been battling with and the boing issue, but thats sorted as best as it can be with increasing damper and fine tuning friction on teleffb

Aamadeus oh yeah, 200mm with a heavy stick like that could be problematic, do you have sp...

142nd_Bama•7/27/24, 12:21 AM

I messed with the spring in the “settings” tab, I’m still somewhat confused as to what the difference in setting page, effect % and telemffb are….

1142nd_Bama I messed with the spring in the “settings” tab, I’m still somewhat confused as t...

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:25 AM

my suggestion would be, start with something like this for the sliders (ignore all the other settings for now, don't mess with those) (also -- put master gain on 100%, i dunno why i had it on 95% when i took that), then disable all other settings in the Effects tab (except maybe balance spring since you've got an extension? but that's another discussion)

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:25 AM

then using telemffb, for example, with the apache i did this: added like 25% damping to it

Aamadeus my suggestion would be, start with something like this for the sliders (ignore a...

142nd_Bama•7/27/24, 12:28 AM

I’ll sure try it! I thought effects had to be on in the vp config?

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:29 AM

some settings that might also be worth tweaking -- craunk up spring strength proportional damping -- that will help get rid of spring bounce, so to speak, and natural damping compensation can help when no damping is applied to make the stick move smoother

1142nd_Bama I’ll sure try it! I thought effects had to be on in the vp config?

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:29 AM

nope -- effects in VP Configurator -- will get overridden by the game if it applies them, unless you select sticky. however you almost never want to use sticky because you don't want to interrupt what the game is doing

Aamadeus nope -- effects in VP Configurator -- will get overridden by the game if it appl...

142nd_Bama•7/27/24, 12:30 AM

Aaaaaa gotcha, makes sense

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:30 AM

there are effects -- like balance spring, and the force trim stuff though, that are separate, but the force trim stuff, if the game supports force feedback, it'll generally have it's own force trim stuff that you'd want to use instead anyways

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:31 AM

then -- use a tool like TelemFFB to customize for a specific aircraft

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:31 AM

so if you want to add damping to say, the Kiowa, do it with TelemFFB -- be flying the kiowa in game, and manipulate the sliders in telemffb for that aircraft. then it will save those effects to a profile for that aircraft, and auto detect when you're flying it

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:32 AM

much better than doing it in the configurator and having to change every time you select a different aircraft

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:32 AM

i'm not a youtuber, but i should probably make a video explaining this stuff sometime to help people out

Aamadeus i'm not a youtuber, but i should probably make a video explaining this stuff som...

142nd_Bama•7/27/24, 12:38 AM

I appreciate the info, yea it’s confusing trying to figure the work flow and what overrides what, lol

142nd_Bama•7/27/24, 12:39 AM

I’m assuming the settings tab then says if telemffb send a signal limit it to this much??

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:40 AM

not quite sure i follow? mostly just think of the configurator as sort of the

firmware

firmware

settings for your vpforce rhino. you can set defaults and what not, but you never need to

run

run

it unless you're changing things

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:40 AM

(assuming you pressed Store Settings)

amadeusOP•7/27/24, 12:42 AM

TelemFFB is the app you run when playing, it helps improve the game's experience

NNumber481 Thanks for this! I have it fixed already locally along with some other updates/...

Spanner•7/27/24, 1:57 AM

Looks like the fix for vne_override didn’t make it

SSpanner Looks like the fix for vne_override didn’t make it 🙂

Number481•7/27/24, 2:07 AM

its there, just handled differently. It's presented in the UI as an override option now (wasn't there for xplane before). if it doesn't get set, the value is "0". Yes.. it should be initialized as 0 rather than

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though

i wouldn't worry about it lining up exactly halfway between 0 and 4096. what you ultimately care abo

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