Obviously. I'm just pointing out an issue a new Linux user could run into on an immutable they possi

Obviously. I'm just pointing out an issue a new Linux user could run into on an immutable they possibly wouldn't elsewhere (where distro-provided packages are installed vs being mostly flatpaks, etc)

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

I know that this will lead to gnashing of teeth

Jj0rge there is zero technical reason to recommend a new user a traditional distro - th...

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

in fact it's a great way to ensure linux doesn't grow

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:49 PM

but like seriously that boat sailed in 2016

KKamquat Obviously. I'm just pointing out an issue a new Linux user could run into on an ...

Valerie•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

Can argue the same about Microsoft store apps

No new experience is completely learning free.

Jj0rge there is zero technical reason to recommend a new user a traditional distro - th...

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

there definetely is. Just sto being a Ublue fanboy and expand your horizon

VValerie Can argue the same about Microsoft store apps 🤷 No new experience is complete...

KamquatOP•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

Yes. I'm hardly advocating Traditional over Immutable here. Just saying there's still learning curves/hiccups.

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

there are exactly zero traditional linux clients with any kind of market penetration. And most of the growth you can account to steamOS. There's no reason to make new users suffer through a 1990s model.

GGorujo-kun there definetely is. Just sto being a Ublue fanboy and expand your horizon

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

atomic fanboy, not about ublue

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

granted bazzite is great as a gaming distro

GGorujo-kun there definetely is. Just sto being a Ublue fanboy and expand your horizon

Valerie•7/29/24, 9:50 PM

There is, but a lot of the common arguments for them are flawed.

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

the traditional linux desktop hasn't grown

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

it's not fit for pupose

KKamquat Yes. I'm hardly advocating Traditional over Immutable here. Just saying there's ...

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

this exactly though

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

like why would you give someone a product with 4% market share over 30 years. In any other market that'd be a meme.

Valerie•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

You don't learn anything on immutable distros

Pez•7/29/24, 9:51 PM

did u fr join the bazzite channel to tell bazzite users that they should stop recommending bazzite

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

Like, is ublue interrupting the hockey stick growth of the traditional desktop that I'm not aware of?

Pez•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

yeah what gives

PPez did u fr join the bazzite channel to tell bazzite users that they should stop re...

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

no in fact I clarified it's their right to choose to recommend bazzite if they want to but again not for me

VValerie You don't learn anything on immutable distros 🙂

KamquatOP•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

I mean, I've learned a lot about how immutable distros and flatpak permissions work since switching to Bazzite

Gorujo-kun•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

just wanted to make sure that we aren't ignoring there are other distros out there

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

also if I come back as combative that's not my intended tone. I'm just like, how much failure does it take for people to realize that no one wants a traditional linux desktop any more.

Pez•7/29/24, 9:52 PM

what

Pez•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

i feel like people being here precludes the need to choose?

Pez•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

like maybe they already made their mind up and that's why they're here?

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

I was addressing the new user thing

Pez•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

i wasn't responding to you

j0rge•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

like, "starter distros" aren't a thing, and if they are, they shouldn't be

GGorujo-kun just wanted to make sure that we aren't ignoring there are other distros out the...

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

I think the argument is we don't have to ignore them

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

The world has ignored them for 30 years

Pez•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

but also

Kyle Gospo•7/29/24, 9:53 PM

we're here to do something different

Pez•7/29/24, 9:54 PM

i don't see why it's anything to do with us

Pez•7/29/24, 9:54 PM

or why we shouldn't ignore them when we uhh

Pez•7/29/24, 9:54 PM

already made our mind up if we're here

Jj0rge also if I come back as combative that's not my intended tone. I'm just like, how...

KamquatOP•7/29/24, 9:54 PM

Some of it is intertia. I will wholly admit that I took a while to even TRY an immutable because I have decades of traditional Linux desktop history and "it works just fine! Why change it!" - then again, I was still compiling monolithic kernels for quite a while after the Linux kernel first got module capability, so maybe I just get stuck in my ways

Jj0rge like, "starter distros" aren't a thing, and if they are, they shouldn't be