there is zero technical reason to recommend a new user a traditional distro - the sooner we kill tha
there is zero technical reason to recommend a new user a traditional distro - the sooner we kill that myth the better.
KObviously. I'm just pointing out an issue a new Linux user could run into on an immutable they possibly wouldn't elsewhere (where distro-provided packages are installed vs being mostly flatpaks, etc)
JI know that this will lead to gnashing of teeth
Kin fact it's a great way to ensure linux doesn't grow
Jbut like seriously that boat sailed in 2016
VCan argue the same about Microsoft store apps 
No new experience is completely learning free.
No new experience is completely learning free.
Gthere definetely is. Just sto being a Ublue fanboy and expand your horizon
KYes. I'm hardly advocating Traditional over Immutable here. Just saying there's still learning curves/hiccups.
Jthere are exactly zero traditional linux clients with any kind of market penetration. And most of the growth you can account to steamOS. There's no reason to make new users suffer through a 1990s model.
Katomic fanboy, not about ublue
Ggranted bazzite is great as a gaming distro
VThere is, but a lot of the common arguments for them are flawed.
Kthe traditional linux desktop hasn't grown
Kit's not fit for pupose
Gthis exactly though
Jlike why would you give someone a product with 4% market share over 30 years. In any other market that'd be a meme.
VYou don't learn anything on immutable distros 
Pdid u fr join the bazzite channel to tell bazzite users that they should stop recommending bazzite
JLike, is ublue interrupting the hockey stick growth of the traditional desktop that I'm not aware of?
Pyeah what gives
Gno in fact I clarified it's their right to choose to recommend bazzite if they want to but again not for me
KI mean, I've learned a lot about how immutable distros and flatpak permissions work since switching to Bazzite 
Gjust wanted to make sure that we aren't ignoring there are other distros out there
Jalso if I come back as combative that's not my intended tone. I'm just like, how much failure does it take for people to realize that no one wants a traditional linux desktop any more.
Pwhat
Pi feel like people being here precludes the need to choose?
Plike maybe they already made their mind up and that's why they're here?
JI was addressing the new user thing
Pi wasn't responding to you
Jlike, "starter distros" aren't a thing, and if they are, they shouldn't be
KI think the argument is we don't have to ignore them
KThe world has ignored them for 30 years
Pbut also
Kwe're here to do something different
Pi don't see why it's anything to do with us
Por why we shouldn't ignore them when we uhh
Palready made our mind up if we're here
KSome of it is intertia. I will wholly admit that I took a while to even TRY an immutable because I have decades of traditional Linux desktop history and "it works just fine! Why change it!" - then again, I was still compiling monolithic kernels for quite a while after the Linux kernel first got module capability, so maybe I just get stuck in my ways
Nbulbasauros
Jyeah but also, we need to recognize that we're 4% of a market.
Kand 3% of that is Steam Deck
K
Jthe other 96% have no idea what linux is supposed to be like
Kand it's immutable!
Pi like how we can just slightly increase the number and hope nobody notices
Nanyway i think steamos3 can technically be considered to be a starter os
K
Gwell we have to realize that steam deck has sold millions of units lol
KLol indeed it is.
Pnext time itll be 5%
P"5%"
