KWell, I can only speak for myself, but I'd never buy a gaming laptop expecting to NOT plug it in
Athough perhaps a beefy AMD APU could change my mind 
KI think the only comrpomise the FW16 makes is size and cost
Kbut, that's a tier so far above a handheld that it's a different class altogether
Myeah if they’re lightweight, they’re going to sound like a Dyson vacuum
KCost is why I didn't get a Framework, especially after the USD exchange rate.
JThe AMD Advantage laptops were awesome, but now I can just Framework 16 and be done forever.
KI'd love to get a Framework. can't justify the cost
JI have the all AMD Asus g14, it's like previous gen parts of what's in the FW16 and that thing is awesome.
MI just sunshine into my main rig on my Mac 
KMr Schwartz got a 4090 a 7900XTX and a Mac
Aand a threadripper
A
Abut yeah, i think gaming laptops will become more niche due to PC handhelds and AMD APUs
Kthis is what a Framework 16 w/ Radeon GPU would cost me in my currency. I paid $917 for similar performance prebuilt (on sale but still)
Koops large image sorry
Kand that's before 13% sales tax
MHonestly already paying off, I spend half as much time on kernel bisects and builds as I used to
MI’m going to throw together a kernel patch for my own testing with some ODM/MPO reverts and see if there are any downsides to it
KThe only reason I can see this possibly not happening is just because of the laptop vs desktop market share changes over the last years. Desktop share is way down.
Cdeployment starting..... taking forever, you think its broke?
Adesktops have already been dying in general, laptops were the main moneymaker for x86 consumer devices
I just think that gaming laptops will become even more niche because most people don't care for having a battery destroying dGPU.
AMD's APUs are increasingly becoming "good enough" for most casual users. Same for Intel APUs.
I just think that gaming laptops will become even more niche because most people don't care for having a battery destroying dGPU.
AMD's APUs are increasingly becoming "good enough" for most casual users. Same for Intel APUs.
AI used
ujust _restore-original-terminal
J"We may miss the Fedora 41 window so hopefully Fedora 42", bruuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Mthat’s realistic I think, it’s barely usable right now in my experience
AAs I type from my over $3,000 Framework 16 
... The laptop is more about the savings over time than the upfront cost. Theoretically if you buy into the ecosystem you will save money in the long run say when you would typically upgrade to a new laptop you don't actually need to do that. Just buy a new GPU or Mainboard. Don't need to buy an entire new chassis with screen, keyboard, GPU, Chassis, RAM, SSDs, ect. To just get a CPU upgrade for example.
... The laptop is more about the savings over time than the upfront cost. Theoretically if you buy into the ecosystem you will save money in the long run say when you would typically upgrade to a new laptop you don't actually need to do that. Just buy a new GPU or Mainboard. Don't need to buy an entire new chassis with screen, keyboard, GPU, Chassis, RAM, SSDs, ect. To just get a CPU upgrade for example.KWell, in my case my choice was purely price driven - but I am also somewhat wary of the GPU thing. I know Framework has proven themselves reliable with CPU mainboard upgrades. I trust that. But I've been burned by 'Upgradable Laptop GPUs' (CoughDellCough) before, and won't trust Framework to do that until another model does actually come out that's backwards compatible.
KBut that didnt factor into me not getting one at this time
KIt's just a me being a cynical bastard thing
AAlso I doubt a $917 similar spec laptop has anywhere the build quality of the Framework 16. I would exspect a screen without Dci-p3 color gamut, a spongy keyboard, lower resolution. A plastic chassic, etc. My last laptop was kind of that situation and some of the standoffs that hold the screws that keep the two halfs of the chassis together broke off. Also the keyboard space bar broke and that is like a half day of work to replace. also the screen was not that great.
KOh I guarantee it doesn't.
K100% SRGB but thats about it. 300 nit screen
Kbut I use external displays and keyboard so didn't much care
ATotally understandable. I didn't fall for those but I followed them. That is why I waited for Framework 16 and to see how the 13 got upgrades.
Hrm ~/.local/share/applications/org.kde.konsole.desktop
ASo all that command does is create the desktop file?
KYeah. I'm more inclined to think Framework will indeed do it, but I'm taking a 'wait and see' approach for the GPUs. Especially as the GPU thing isn't entirely just on Framework
Hi want the framework 13, but i want to do gpu passthrough on the framework 16 which will be too big for me to use as a travel pc 
KThey need a GPU vendor to Sell to them at their volume
Hit undoes what the ujust did, all the ujust does is restore the konsole shortcut
Kyeah I know that feeling. a 16" is pretty large to carry around
Hkyle did gpu passthrough on his and im like "i want"
KI used to carry a 17.3" beast back it in the early 2000s, along with its monster power brick
Kthat sucked biking to / from work
AOh yeah, this thing is HEAVY. 5.7 pounds. Just weighed it.
KLike Lookingglass or whatever? Linux on the iGPU, Windows on the dGPU?
Hi carried around about 20kg of books+laptop to and from school, it was so fun to hand my fellow students my backpack and go non chalantly "hey can you hold this" and hand it to them and watch them almost fall over
SThe alpha will be out in a few days. Its not even in beta phase rn
