You would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels that have direct driv

You would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels that have direct drive "who needs that shit at home" . There is a reason Brunner chose 100nm for their cyclic. Enjoy your moza, to each their own.

HH145Rotor-Sims You would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels t...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:22 AM

Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering wheel corresponds in terms of a racing car 13-17kg, 100nm if work hydraulic its not real

==БК=Antony [99]Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 1:26 AM

Why are you even in the Rhino discord then? 32NM isn't alot of force at all. My 10 year old nephew could handle 32NM turning wrenches in my motorcycle when we work on it.

==БК=Antony [99]Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 1:30 AM

Yes I know what direct drive is and the difference. I don't use race sims. I fly in real life and use sims. I'm very aware of the forces and I trust the engineers both mechanical and electrical at brunner what they did with their cyclic has the most realistic forces applied or can be simulated based on the aircraft for FFS Level D

HH145Rotor-Sims Why are you even in the Rhino discord then? 32NM isn't alot of force at all. My ...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 1:33 AM

Same question, why are you even in the ffbeast discord? ))) in real Mi-8 heli on collective 5kg if hydro work.

Ice•8/6/24, 1:41 AM

It's a damn shame the FFBeast's potential is ruined by bad software. The output of the stick is completely meaningless if the software isn't worth a damn.

IIce It's a damn shame the FFBeast's potential is ruined by bad software. The output ...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:48 AM

And you have any reasonable arguments concerning its shortcomings?

TThe LT And you have any reasonable arguments concerning its shortcomings?

Ice•8/6/24, 1:51 AM

Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB can produce. There's no argument to be made. TelemFFB is by far the superior software.

IIce Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB ca...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:51 AM

Of course there isn't any argument. I expected as much.

Ice•8/6/24, 1:53 AM

I won't entertain you any longer, it's clear you came here to argue... for some really odd reason.

IIce Just go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB ca...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:53 AM

And what makes the software better? Abundance of unrealistic stick shaking effects I assume?

Ice•8/6/24, 1:54 AM

I'm very happy with my product, you're happy with yours. We can leave it at that.

IIce I'm very happy with my product, you're happy with yours. We can leave it at that...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:56 AM

I don't think you know what "product" I am using. But I expected more, tbh.

SamNFTY•8/6/24, 1:57 AM

IIce I won't entertain you any longer, it's clear you came here to argue... for some ...

The LT•8/6/24, 1:57 AM

There is nothing odd about it. You're bashing a product and I'd like to hear some concise argumentation.

==БК=Antony [99]Same question, why are you even in the ffbeast discord? ))) in real Mi-8 heli on...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:14 AM

@=БК=Antony [99] This is the Rhino discord..It's clear you think the FFBeast is the best joystick since sliced bread and good for you that it works. I didn't know a flight sim and 32NM makes someone a real man. That's pretty funny...

HH145Rotor-Sims @=БК=Antony [99] This is the Rhino discord..It's clear you think the FFBeast is ...

Ice•8/6/24, 2:16 AM

Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even realize it was two separate people at first with how comically similar they were acting.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:17 AM

Something comical about my legitimate questions?

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:19 AM

I asked a pretty simple question in response to your statement that ffbeast is "bad software". Can't say I got a satisfactory reply.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:19 AM

It's clear that anyone that wants to find the short comings of a product is to simply go to the products discord and glance at the discussions specifically the tech support section and that's were all the short comings are exposed. No needs to explain it to anyone.

IIce Don't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even r...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:20 AM

you dont have arguments but we russian trolls. good logics.

HH145Rotor-Sims It's clear that anyone that wants to find the short comings of a product is to s...

Ice•8/6/24, 2:20 AM

Exactly. They're not worth an ounce of your energy.

IIce Exactly. They're not worth an ounce of your energy.

The LT•8/6/24, 2:21 AM

Except you aren't on FFBeast discord. Which kinda invalidates the argument. What I am trying to figure out is why you're so butthurt about it.

==БК=Antony [99]you dont have arguments but we russian trolls. good logics.

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:22 AM

Ice dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on his own experiences and if you look in the discord the users speak about it. Ice dosen't need to do any research for you or answer any questions.

HH145Rotor-Sims Ice dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on ...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:23 AM

are you his lawyer?
he said it was better, he was asked, than

TThe LT Except you aren't on FFBeast discord. Which kinda invalidates the argument. What...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:23 AM

Maybe he left because he saw what I saw. People mentioning the software needs more work. As long as people are happy with the product they choose thats all that matters.

Ice•8/6/24, 2:23 AM

What the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensive research on both products before making an informed purchase for myself and recommendation to my brother for a FFB stick.

HH145Rotor-Sims Ice dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on ...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:24 AM

So are you implying he compared the products and has first hand experience with both? Pretty sure that's false. Obviously agressive about it too. Any reason for that?

IIce What the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensi...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:25 AM

I did the same. They have great hardware for sure but the software is under developed hence why I didn't buy one.

HH145Rotor-Sims I did the same. They have great hardware for sure but the software is under deve...

Ice•8/6/24, 2:25 AM

Yep. Now for real, just don't reply to them. The game they're playing is obvious. Re-engage chill VPForce Discord vibes.

TThe LT So are you implying he compared the products and has first hand experience with ...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:26 AM

Perhaps he did but one does not need a physical product to gather research about software.

HH145Rotor-Sims Maybe he left because he saw what I saw. People mentioning the software needs mo...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:26 AM

And what software doesn't need more work? DCS itself is a trainwreck of a sim and has been for a long long time. Yet it has hordes of adamant fans willing to throw money at every preorder ED throws at them.

IIce Yep. Now for real, just don't reply to them. The game they're playing is obvious...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:27 AM

I haven't read more bullshit yet, how old are you, 15 ?

TThe LT And what software doesn't need more work? DCS itself is a trainwreck of a sim an...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:29 AM

I don't use DCS. People throw money at all kinds of products we all know this.

HH145Rotor-Sims Perhaps he did but one does not need a physical product to gather research about...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:29 AM

That's kinda ridiculous, tbh. You absolutely need to gave the hardware and see how the system works as a whole to form an informed opinion.

TThe LT That's kinda ridiculous, tbh. You absolutely need to gave the hardware and see h...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:31 AM

No you do not. Other people have already spoken about it who purchased the unit and have physically used it. There are people who have both the Rhino and FFBeast and you read about both sides.

HH145Rotor-Sims I don't use DCS. People throw money at all kinds of products we all know this.

The LT•8/6/24, 2:32 AM

I am ok people throwing money at all sorts of stuff. But bashing a product for no reason and being aggressive when asked for reasons? Pretty meh...

TThe LT I am ok people throwing money at all sorts of stuff. But bashing a product for n...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 2:34 AM

I agree there is no reason to be aggressive. A product is a product but one can draw their own conclusions if they wish based on other people's experiences. That's actually intelligently because the 1st iteration of anything is rarely remarkable.

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:37 AM

@joedreamliner787
also insult people based on their nationality, calling them trolls, although he himself started this conversation about software

HH145Rotor-Sims I agree there is no reason to be aggressive. A product is a product but one can ...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:37 AM

I am sorry, there is nothing intelligent in that exchange. Dude bashed the product, didn't mention any particular critical issues with it and jumped to conclusions based on what exactly? You're grasping at straws here...

JJon (Bounty_V)https://qubicsystem.com/product/qs-bt1/ anyone seen this? Works with flight sim

Majik•8/6/24, 3:11 AM

Have yet to see a flight sim perspective, but this guy is enamoured with it for sim racing

Majik•8/6/24, 3:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9AP31yahT0

YouTubeRace Beyond Matter

First Sim Experience with G-Forces

Qubic System QS-BT1 Dual direct drive motor system creates Braking and Turning G-forces in driving and flight simulators! First time I can feel I am braking the car trough my chest in Le Mans Ultimate, Automobilista2, Iracing and ACC... dream become true
Find More HERE- https://qubicsystem.com/product/qs-bt1/
wheel base- Simagic Alpha Ultimate,...

Majik•8/6/24, 3:14 AM

Sounds like @Limitless VR & Simrigs needs to get hands on and let us all know

==БК=Antony [99]Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering...

PiNKSH!T•8/6/24, 5:11 AM

M8 no one is going to care about what you have to say if you are here just trying to be edgy & rip on the Rhino telling us how much better what you have is. Did you design & create you own FFB device from scratch like the Rhino or FFBeast or the Laserwing? No you came along & got to choose what pre designed base suited you best & went with that one.
Moza was not a very well thought out product, they recently stated they want to concentrate first on the side stick ability/compatibility of the base, a frigging ffb as a side stick why? Why not make it a fssb they have the experience from their brake sensors. Their software is just ridiculously lite atm & as was stated more of a glorified haptic device. The whole thing from the base & their idea of implementation to the software just seems like they didn't really think it through much before committing to a pre order state & reviews. It seriously seems like they didn't even talk to someone who plays flight sims.

PiNKSH!T•8/6/24, 5:11 AM

FFBeast looks like a really cool ffb base, the software needs to catch up a bit is all it needs. My only real concern about the ffbeast is that ppl might actually get hurt not understanding the forces at play with some of those builds (it's not like a ~30nm wheel that is fixed & only spins in one axis the ffb with a grip on an extension at the same ~30nm is a bloody war club

). I don't think an estop mounted to the base like with the Rhino would be the best idea unless mounted so it's activated with the feet. The fact it's only diy is a bit of a put off for a lot of ppl but there are kits being offered out there. Comparing the Rhino, FFBeast & Brunner Pro stuff to me it's all just for different use cases Rhino is good for a lot of different mounting solutions from desk mounts to sim pits, FFBeast is more for sim pits up to dedicated cockpits imo & obviously Brunner Pro level stuff is for.... well pro level stuff.
Laserwing I haven't looked at in a long time.

MMajik Sounds like @Limitless VR & Simrigs needs to get hands on and let us all know 😂

Limitless VR & Simrigs•8/6/24, 6:29 AM

Holy snappin duck shit.....YES I DO. Standby, research has commenced

MMajik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9AP31yahT0

Limitless VR & Simrigs•8/6/24, 7:54 AM

Ok, so I have some pretty solid feedback on the seat belt tensioner. I am already using what I call, 'passive tensioning' as I have a motion simulator, I basically have elastic straps that connect to the base of the rig and then to my seat belt, when the rig lifts this in turn tensions my belt. I have tried a seat belt tensioner in another mates rig a few years ago and I honestly didn't feel like it was significantly better than my setup. What I would absolutely kill for is the 'Gseat' https://www.simxperience.com/shop/sx-gs5-001-gs-5-g-seat-711 , if only it was compatible with FS2020 and DCS. I have actually flown in a multi million dollar sim trainer with gforce pads that actuated in the seat, blew my mid how realistic the gforces felt. Having said this though if you do not have a motion rig, this belt tensioner might be a fantastic addition. Here are some pictures of my current setup:

SimXperience® Full Motion Racing Simulator Technologies

GS-5 G-Seat

The SimXperience GS-5 G-Force simulation seat is a full 6DOF motion feedback system for flight or racing simulation that provides strong, sustained body pressure feedback similar to that of a real vehicle.

MMajik Have yet to see a flight sim perspective, but this guy is enamoured with it for ...

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/6/24, 8:02 AM

That's how I discovered it yeah. Love his videos, his passion is contagious

LLimitless VR & Simrigs Ok, so I have some pretty solid feedback on the seat belt tensioner. I am alread...

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/6/24, 8:04 AM

Your setup makes a lot of sense, looks amazing.

Limitless VR & Simrigs•8/6/24, 8:31 AM

Actually take a look at my other video on this: time stamp 36:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qorgzErGt7o

YouTubeLimitless VR & Simrigs

The Machine

The journey on how I built 'The Machine'
Flash Warning

0:00 Intro
2:03 Story about the sim journey
18:21 Brief recap
19:01 VNM Peddles
21:09 Simagic Shifter & Handbrake
21:51 Simagic Ultimate Wheel Base
23:46 Keyboard Mouse Setup
25:32 Virpil Power Control Lever & Control Panel
29:32 Razer Keyboard for FPS
30:55 Flight stick central mount
3...

TThe LT I am sorry, there is nothing intelligent in that exchange. Dude bashed the produ...

H145Rotor-SimsOP•8/6/24, 3:59 PM

I'm not grasping at straws... Just as with new cars and new tech, sometimes it's intelligent to stand back and wait for a couple of iterations before you decide to purchase said product. Price generally reduces and most of the bugs are worked out which goes back to my point that it's smart to wait it out a bit and see where the product goes and I have no issue with people who want the latest tech. It's made for enjoyment and there is isn't any reason to bash a product. We are all here for the same reason that we enjoy force feedback and it's fun to see manufacturers compete with each other because ultimately it leads to a better product that benefits the consumer.

You would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels that have direct driv

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