What the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensive research on both

What the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensive research on both products before making an informed purchase for myself and recommendation to my brother for a FFB stick.

HH145Rotor-Sims Ice dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on ...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:24 AM

So are you implying he compared the products and has first hand experience with both? Pretty sure that's false. Obviously agressive about it too. Any reason for that?

IIce What the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensi...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:25 AM

I did the same. They have great hardware for sure but the software is under developed hence why I didn't buy one.

HH145Rotor-Sims I did the same. They have great hardware for sure but the software is under deve...

IceOP•8/6/24, 2:25 AM

Yep. Now for real, just don't reply to them. The game they're playing is obvious. Re-engage chill VPForce Discord vibes.

TThe LT So are you implying he compared the products and has first hand experience with ...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:26 AM

Perhaps he did but one does not need a physical product to gather research about software.

HH145Rotor-Sims Maybe he left because he saw what I saw. People mentioning the software needs mo...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:26 AM

And what software doesn't need more work? DCS itself is a trainwreck of a sim and has been for a long long time. Yet it has hordes of adamant fans willing to throw money at every preorder ED throws at them.

IIce Yep. Now for real, just don't reply to them. The game they're playing is obvious...

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:27 AM

I haven't read more bullshit yet, how old are you, 15 ?

TThe LT And what software doesn't need more work? DCS itself is a trainwreck of a sim an...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:29 AM

I don't use DCS. People throw money at all kinds of products we all know this.

HH145Rotor-Sims Perhaps he did but one does not need a physical product to gather research about...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:29 AM

That's kinda ridiculous, tbh. You absolutely need to gave the hardware and see how the system works as a whole to form an informed opinion.

TThe LT That's kinda ridiculous, tbh. You absolutely need to gave the hardware and see h...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:31 AM

No you do not. Other people have already spoken about it who purchased the unit and have physically used it. There are people who have both the Rhino and FFBeast and you read about both sides.

HH145Rotor-Sims I don't use DCS. People throw money at all kinds of products we all know this.

The LT•8/6/24, 2:32 AM

I am ok people throwing money at all sorts of stuff. But bashing a product for no reason and being aggressive when asked for reasons? Pretty meh...

TThe LT I am ok people throwing money at all sorts of stuff. But bashing a product for n...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 2:34 AM

I agree there is no reason to be aggressive. A product is a product but one can draw their own conclusions if they wish based on other people's experiences. That's actually intelligently because the 1st iteration of anything is rarely remarkable.

=БК=Antony [99]•8/6/24, 2:37 AM

@joedreamliner787
also insult people based on their nationality, calling them trolls, although he himself started this conversation about software

HH145Rotor-Sims I agree there is no reason to be aggressive. A product is a product but one can ...

The LT•8/6/24, 2:37 AM

I am sorry, there is nothing intelligent in that exchange. Dude bashed the product, didn't mention any particular critical issues with it and jumped to conclusions based on what exactly? You're grasping at straws here...

JJon (Bounty_V)https://qubicsystem.com/product/qs-bt1/ anyone seen this? Works with flight sim

Majik•8/6/24, 3:11 AM

Have yet to see a flight sim perspective, but this guy is enamoured with it for sim racing

Majik•8/6/24, 3:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9AP31yahT0

YouTubeRace Beyond Matter

First Sim Experience with G-Forces

Qubic System QS-BT1 Dual direct drive motor system creates Braking and Turning G-forces in driving and flight simulators! First time I can feel I am braking the car trough my chest in Le Mans Ultimate, Automobilista2, Iracing and ACC... dream become true
Find More HERE- https://qubicsystem.com/product/qs-bt1/
wheel base- Simagic Alpha Ultimate,...

Majik•8/6/24, 3:14 AM

Sounds like @Limitless VR & Simrigs needs to get hands on and let us all know

==БК=Antony [99]Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering...

PiNKSH!T•8/6/24, 5:11 AM

M8 no one is going to care about what you have to say if you are here just trying to be edgy & rip on the Rhino telling us how much better what you have is. Did you design & create you own FFB device from scratch like the Rhino or FFBeast or the Laserwing? No you came along & got to choose what pre designed base suited you best & went with that one.
Moza was not a very well thought out product, they recently stated they want to concentrate first on the side stick ability/compatibility of the base, a frigging ffb as a side stick why? Why not make it a fssb they have the experience from their brake sensors. Their software is just ridiculously lite atm & as was stated more of a glorified haptic device. The whole thing from the base & their idea of implementation to the software just seems like they didn't really think it through much before committing to a pre order state & reviews. It seriously seems like they didn't even talk to someone who plays flight sims.

PiNKSH!T•8/6/24, 5:11 AM

FFBeast looks like a really cool ffb base, the software needs to catch up a bit is all it needs. My only real concern about the ffbeast is that ppl might actually get hurt not understanding the forces at play with some of those builds (it's not like a ~30nm wheel that is fixed & only spins in one axis the ffb with a grip on an extension at the same ~30nm is a bloody war club

). I don't think an estop mounted to the base like with the Rhino would be the best idea unless mounted so it's activated with the feet. The fact it's only diy is a bit of a put off for a lot of ppl but there are kits being offered out there. Comparing the Rhino, FFBeast & Brunner Pro stuff to me it's all just for different use cases Rhino is good for a lot of different mounting solutions from desk mounts to sim pits, FFBeast is more for sim pits up to dedicated cockpits imo & obviously Brunner Pro level stuff is for.... well pro level stuff.
Laserwing I haven't looked at in a long time.

MMajik Sounds like @Limitless VR & Simrigs needs to get hands on and let us all know 😂

Limitless VR & Simrigs•8/6/24, 6:29 AM

Holy snappin duck shit.....YES I DO. Standby, research has commenced

MMajik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9AP31yahT0

Limitless VR & Simrigs•8/6/24, 7:54 AM

Ok, so I have some pretty solid feedback on the seat belt tensioner. I am already using what I call, 'passive tensioning' as I have a motion simulator, I basically have elastic straps that connect to the base of the rig and then to my seat belt, when the rig lifts this in turn tensions my belt. I have tried a seat belt tensioner in another mates rig a few years ago and I honestly didn't feel like it was significantly better than my setup. What I would absolutely kill for is the 'Gseat' https://www.simxperience.com/shop/sx-gs5-001-gs-5-g-seat-711 , if only it was compatible with FS2020 and DCS. I have actually flown in a multi million dollar sim trainer with gforce pads that actuated in the seat, blew my mid how realistic the gforces felt. Having said this though if you do not have a motion rig, this belt tensioner might be a fantastic addition. Here are some pictures of my current setup:

SimXperience® Full Motion Racing Simulator Technologies

GS-5 G-Seat

The SimXperience GS-5 G-Force simulation seat is a full 6DOF motion feedback system for flight or racing simulation that provides strong, sustained body pressure feedback similar to that of a real vehicle.

MMajik Have yet to see a flight sim perspective, but this guy is enamoured with it for ...

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/6/24, 8:02 AM

That's how I discovered it yeah. Love his videos, his passion is contagious

LLimitless VR & Simrigs Ok, so I have some pretty solid feedback on the seat belt tensioner. I am alread...

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/6/24, 8:04 AM

Your setup makes a lot of sense, looks amazing.

Limitless VR & Simrigs•8/6/24, 8:31 AM

Actually take a look at my other video on this: time stamp 36:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qorgzErGt7o

YouTubeLimitless VR & Simrigs

The Machine

The journey on how I built 'The Machine'
Flash Warning

0:00 Intro
2:03 Story about the sim journey
18:21 Brief recap
19:01 VNM Peddles
21:09 Simagic Shifter & Handbrake
21:51 Simagic Ultimate Wheel Base
23:46 Keyboard Mouse Setup
25:32 Virpil Power Control Lever & Control Panel
29:32 Razer Keyboard for FPS
30:55 Flight stick central mount
3...

TThe LT I am sorry, there is nothing intelligent in that exchange. Dude bashed the produ...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 3:59 PM

I'm not grasping at straws... Just as with new cars and new tech, sometimes it's intelligent to stand back and wait for a couple of iterations before you decide to purchase said product. Price generally reduces and most of the bugs are worked out which goes back to my point that it's smart to wait it out a bit and see where the product goes and I have no issue with people who want the latest tech. It's made for enjoyment and there is isn't any reason to bash a product. We are all here for the same reason that we enjoy force feedback and it's fun to see manufacturers compete with each other because ultimately it leads to a better product that benefits the consumer.

142nd_Bama•8/6/24, 5:01 PM

Does anyone here fly the F-16 in dcs and if so do you have a pretty sizeable deadzone around the center? I cant figure it out and i do not have one set in game... Thanks

RoboGeoff•8/6/24, 5:11 PM

Oh I’ve never thought of using the Rhino as a center stick either the F16. Did you find you needed the dead zone?

HH145Rotor-Sims I'm not grasping at straws... Just as with new cars and new tech, sometimes it's...

The LT•8/6/24, 5:34 PM

Way to back out of it... A round of applause is in order. You know what else is intelligent and smart? Keeping quiet if you aren't ready to back up your claims of the software being "bad". Which, by the way, it isn't. Have a good day!

amadeus•8/6/24, 5:37 PM

Yo can you chill please?

TThe LT Way to back out of it... A round of applause is in order. You know what else is ...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 5:42 PM

The software issues are clearly spoken about in the discord. No one needs to invest time to recite something that was already discussed. If someone wants to know they can do their own research. He did give you a clue and specifically told you to compare the range of effects the TelemFFB can produce. It's really not hard. No one owes you anything, not an explanation, data and nor needs to answer any of your questions. Take care and be well.

RRoboGeoff Oh I’ve never thought of using the Rhino as a center stick either the F16. Did y...

142nd_Bama•8/6/24, 5:44 PM

no but it appears one is present and i dont like it!

Aamadeus Yo can you chill please?

The LT•8/6/24, 6:02 PM

I am chill. Never crapped on anything too.

Number481•8/6/24, 6:08 PM

https://tenor.com/view/horse-dead-beating-gif-9285411

Tenor

HH145Rotor-Sims The software issues are clearly spoken about in the discord. No one needs to inv...

The LT•8/6/24, 6:33 PM

What "issues" exactly? Is that somehow an excuse to call the software bad and call it a day? I'm flying the thing daily for years now. No one has time to recite but has time to crap on another project? Right. Btw, I did my research, mate. I assure you. Also have built both bases and have first hand experience with both. That "range of effects" point you're trying to argue is something you never experience on a real aircraft stick, that's why it wasn't there and wasn't given priority. Unlike some local chill dudes, I am not shitting on other products or being racist. So there you have it.

TThe LT What "issues" exactly? Is that somehow an excuse to call the software bad and ca...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 6:35 PM

Take care of yourself.

HH145Rotor-Sims Take care of yourself.

The LT•8/6/24, 6:37 PM

I will. Don't pull those strawman arguments next time.

142nd_Bama•8/6/24, 6:38 PM

https://tenor.com/view/palomitas-eating-popcorn-popcorn-eat-chill-gif-17592961

Tenor

TThe LT I will. Don't pull those strawman arguments next time.

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 6:53 PM

You are really pationate about the FFBeast..No idea why you are so defensive about it, perhaps you know the company owner personally..People want certain effects regardless if they are in real life or not and not just pertaining to flight simulation but you knew that, didn't you... It's clear that Rhino offers more in this arena and that's great for them, more developers and manufactures I'm sure are taking note. Speaking of which, if you are very happy with the FFB Beast then why are you in this discord? My guess is you probably do not own either one but I'm sure we can believe you since you say you do because well, we all believe everything on the internet now don't we... You realize we are talking about a joysticks basically a toy for games....again take care and don't play the know it all game again...

amadeus•8/6/24, 6:56 PM

Imagine feeling so insecure you have to go to someone else’s discord to tell people they are wrong.

Aamadeus Imagine feeling so insecure you have to go to someone else’s discord to tell peo...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 6:58 PM

Not sure why they are on this Discord talking about the FFBeast.

HH145Rotor-Sims Not sure why they are on this Discord talking about the FFBeast.

The LT•8/6/24, 6:59 PM

The same reason you're talking Brunner here. This is general.

142nd_Bama•8/6/24, 7:00 PM

I have a 200mm extention on my rhino and run springs at about 50/60%. Why in the world would someone want “4x” the power!?

amadeus•8/6/24, 7:01 PM

it's probably not worth engaging these people anymore

Fr4Ged•8/6/24, 7:02 PM

I've heard that Warbird enjoyers want to replicate the real thing.
I wouldn't even know how to mount something that powerful.

AndyHill•8/6/24, 7:02 PM

modern jets have relatively heavy sticks too

AndyHill•8/6/24, 7:02 PM

but the mounting point is good

AndyHill•8/6/24, 7:03 PM

also it's not trivial to install a grip on such a powerful thing

Fr4Ged•8/6/24, 7:03 PM

I mostly fly helicopters so the Rhino certainly is more than enough for me

FFr4Ged I've heard that Warbird enjoyers want to replicate the real thing. I wouldn't e...

H145Rotor-Sims•8/6/24, 7:03 PM

If it's low enough in the sim pit it would make sense.

Aamadeus it's probably not worth engaging these people anymore

The LT•8/6/24, 7:04 PM

That's right. Don't engage with "these people" unless you're ready to back your smacktalk up with some reasonable criticism.

amadeus•8/6/24, 7:05 PM

i don't care what you have to say, and i don't care if you're right. please stop

What the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensive research on both

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