im happy to see im not the only one forced to mount the fan on the outside 😂
im happy to see im not the only one forced to mount the fan on the outside 
1Sorry didn’t know that question was from me. I bought it from simfab in Florida. I highly recommend it for vr users! It might be available on Amazon too?
1lol yes I finally got tired of fighting it
Wmy e-stop is just too big to fit the fan, so i put it on the outside
HYeah I put alum. Blocks underneath but I can quick release under the chair and move it out of the way if needed.
1I think that was my issue also!
WWhat’s up fellas, quick question: are there any settings I can use that’ll keep the stick centered using force trim in DCS helicopters? It seems to sag away from the trimmed center.
WSo I hit trim and remove my hand, the stick sags away from the center just enough that I have to keep my hand there. I noticed it mostly with the Apache.
1There’s a setting in effects, I think “balanced spring” is what it’s called, I’m new to the rhino, that helps that! Also in the spring effect there’s a tab you can check that’ll use sprung force to help hold it in place.
1I had issues as well getting it dialed in with a 200mm ext with a heavy grip…
Aa continuation of what bama said above, are you running an extension? how heavy is your grip? Also how strong are the spring forces you are using? The apache forces i find are quite strong in practice, but also don't have an extension. also do you have adaptive re-centering on? that's a good thing to be running as well I find
NThese guys are steering you in the right direction. Balance Spring will get you close, the adaptive recentering is the final icing that will keep the stick always centered. There's a section in the manual that covers both.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y/edit#heading=h.9yc6t8idkb39
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VPforce RHINO FFB User Manual Version 0.81 (WIP) Table of Contents 1. Welcome 1 2. Getting Started 3 2.1. Technical Specifications 4 2.2. Physical Setup 5 2.2.1. The VKB Adapter 6 2.2.2. The WinWing Adapter 6 2.2.3. The RHINO Throw Limiter Adapters 7 2.3. Initial Connection and Updating ...
RWhen you all are setting up balance spring are you doing while centered or moving to extremes?
RI’ve been running a 5% on xy with good success. My grip isn’t heavy just have a very long extension so need a little extra help
HAh yes for plane for sure but for heli I like it near the floor.
Cwhich games are compatible with VPforce?
Cother than MSFS and DCS. Is there a way to configure it with star citizen or elite dangerous?
LNegative mate, All you can do is control the spring force with the dial for SC, pretty handy though. Games so far are DCS, FS2020, IL2, Xplane
Nyou new to the F16? This is inherent to the DCS viper and why it sucks ass to fly compared to BMS on regular joysticks
Nbut i'm surprised you find it so noticeable with Rhino. imo Rhino is the only way to make the DCS viper tolerable, maybe it's the throw range and smoothness, I don't really mind it
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[Yeah I find I horrible too.
Solution is a custom axis curve in DCS.
Solution is a custom axis curve in DCS.
[Can post a screenshot of my settings. I find they eliminate the deadzone quite good
VWhat has helped for me is to check the "Override spring" in the TelemFFB. With that option checked the Viper now behaves quite nicely
[The problem with the Viper in DCS ist the hard coded Deadzone which is essential for FSSB. But it is a bad thing for throw sticks. But ED translated the FSSB deadzone 1:1 into the throw. The only way to eliminate this is to create a custom curve in which you do the opposite of a deadzone. Literally you have to skip the deadzone area around the center, so the axis start at the point where you have control surface input.
[Something like this. But in The DCS Ingame setting axis configuration
[With this and adaptive recentering in VPforceConfigurator you are fine
[I will share my ingame setting later this day. So you can adapt it
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KI use a reworked HP power supply unit. You need ~19V with ~10A. Best with a 5,5-2,5 mm connector.
Some people use Meanwell LRS 350/24 PSU. But then you need to build your own enclosure and cable for it.
One example (not tested by me): https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B084NVQ68P
Another example (not tested by me): https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WGQD2PD
Some people use Meanwell LRS 350/24 PSU. But then you need to build your own enclosure and cable for it.
One example (not tested by me): https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B084NVQ68P
Another example (not tested by me): https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WGQD2PD
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KMany thanks for the info!
WAnd this works with rotorcraft? I think I used balance spring or something and it didn’t work with force trim?
[Here you go
1I have hundreds of hours in the viper and love it with the vpc cm3 base…..
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1I’ll try it out, thanks
SHow did you open this settings? First time I see them
NThe balance spring is constant and persistent and will help offset the imbalance caused by a heavy grip and/or offset extension, but it will only get you close. Once you have balance spring set so that the stick more or less stays where you put it with all other effects disabled, then enabling Adaptive Recentering will nicely keep the stick centered regardless of where the actual center point is placed via force trim.
Adaptive recentering will do it on its own, but it is best to negate most of the work it needs to do by setting up Balance Spring first.
With my heavy Alpha Prime grip, I have run both the 200mm offset and the z-extension. With the above configured, I have zero issues with the stick maintaining center in any position.
Adaptive recentering will do it on its own, but it is best to negate most of the work it needs to do by setting up Balance Spring first.
With my heavy Alpha Prime grip, I have run both the 200mm offset and the z-extension. With the above configured, I have zero issues with the stick maintaining center in any position.
[You need to box „user curves“ in the axis tune window.
SSince I have a made a rhino I do not mess with curves anymore but thanks 
[This is ok because for the F-16 you make spring sticky and override the DCS Spring. So it won’t mess it up.
When using DCS spring it’s a different story.
When using DCS spring it’s a different story.
[For every other module I agree with you. But The Viper is special.
BI just use virtual endstops and axis scaling at about 20%, makes it sensitive and snippy with no dead zone.
I'd go lower, but below that banking would trip my y axis motor, I assume as going so quickly between max force near the end to 0 at center gives it the heebyjeebies.
I'd go lower, but below that banking would trip my y axis motor, I assume as going so quickly between max force near the end to 0 at center gives it the heebyjeebies.
RI really wish we had the ability to change the amount of force in adaptive centering. Right now I think it’s 12 or 14%. I wish we had the ability to put it up to say 50% or whatever would be safe.
WLarger adaptive forces will feel very weird / non-linear
DI see the two PSUs you listed use 5.5x2.5mm cable connectors. Protomaker's parts list in the pdf assembly instructions show 5.5x2.1mm for the socket part, but I can't find any common laptop PSUs that use that size. So now I'm confused as to what is the actual standard people are using, if you have some advice on that. I guess they're close to each other, but I'd still hate to risk a poor electrical connection even if they do physically fit.
D5.5x2.5 plug on 5.5x2.1 socket will fit but you also will get intermittent conection as soon as you move the wire just a little. I ended changing the PSU plug to 5.5x2.1
DGood to know, thanks. I suppose Protomaker should fix that parts list then? It would be so easy for DIY'ers to just install the correct 5.5x2.5 mm socket in the box instead for a solid connection. I believe the pre-built Rhino even comes with that 5.5x2.5mm size PSU, based on the specs listed for the model number (Green Cell AD100P) as seen in Big Bangerz YT video review. But I don't know what size receptacle the pre-built base has. https://greencell.global/en/msi/2862-charger-ac-adapter-green-cell-pro-19v-95a-180w-for-msi-gt60-gt70-gt680-gt683-asus-rog-g75-g75v-g75vw-g750jm-g750js.html
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AI kind of got interested in the seatbelt tensioner systems, but the all seem to be immensely expensive. Are there cheaper ghetto versions out there at all?
KWe use a 5.5mm 2.1mm connector in the kit.
DThanks for the reply. So then it's not technically the correct size for the standard PSUs, including VPForce's own.