I guess what I mean is what @Kyle Gospo and I talked about earlier which is trying to use already ex

I guess what I mean is what @Kyle Gospo and I talked about earlier which is trying to use already existing packages and then converting them into system extensions transparently.

NNoel I guess what I mean is what @Kyle Gospo and I talked about earlier which is tryi...

bketelsen•8/13/24, 6:26 PM

ahh

antheas•8/13/24, 6:26 PM

thats also a possibility

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:26 PM

Like, I don't need to create a custom formatted thing to work as a system extension, I already have an RPM package with all the information I need to get it installed on a Fedora system.

antheas•8/13/24, 6:26 PM

and a good idea

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:26 PM

Then you don't need folks to repackage everything AGAIN

antheas•8/13/24, 6:27 PM

have a postprocessing hook that runs after rpmostree update and recreates the extensions in a parallel dir that matches the deployment

antheas•8/13/24, 6:27 PM

actually, probably a single extension

antheas•8/13/24, 6:27 PM

then does some selinux labelling

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:27 PM

for sure. the other cool thing is if you had a tool like this, you could get it working for DEB packages as well.

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:27 PM

RPM and DEB would be your 2 big ones you would want.

antheas•8/13/24, 6:28 PM

if i think about it the only problem with it is dependency management

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:28 PM

Does Flatpaks serve a use case here or could you theoretically get rid of them now that you have systems extensions?

antheas•8/13/24, 6:28 PM

of course they do

antheas•8/13/24, 6:29 PM

if it can be a flatpak it should be

antheas•8/13/24, 6:29 PM

but since we're doing OCI

NNoel Does Flatpaks serve a use case here or could you theoretically get rid of them n...

ethanjli•8/13/24, 6:29 PM

system extensions don't do any sandboxing; the use-case is more for system files/programs

Eethanjli system extensions don't do any sandboxing; the use-case is more for system files...

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:29 PM

That's a good point.

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:29 PM

I was more thinking about how people complain about RPMs vs Flatpaks.

Aantheas and generating manifests with certain layers missing dynamically

antheas•8/13/24, 6:29 PM

im gonna be thinking about this

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:30 PM

from a user experience perspective, I think the big thing is making whatever we do approachable.

antheas•8/13/24, 6:30 PM

solves every issue basically. Just need to lobotomize rpm-ostree to accept custom manifests

Aantheas if i think about it the only problem with it is dependency management

ethanjli•8/13/24, 6:30 PM

yeah, any dependency management/resolution would have to be implemented in the tool for downloading/managing local sysexts

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:30 PM

whether that be plugging it into a store or making our own tool to install it for them.

Eethanjli yeah, any dependency management/resolution would have to be implemented in the t...

antheas•8/13/24, 6:31 PM

thats what rpm-ostree does already though

antheas•8/13/24, 6:31 PM

thats the whole point behind it, so you might as well use that

Bbketelsen we can do this, and we're marching slowly there

Kyle Gospo•8/13/24, 6:31 PM

Good addition to topgrade

antheas•8/13/24, 6:31 PM

if we are talking about rpms

antheas•8/13/24, 6:32 PM

generates commits for the deployed packages and merges them to the original ostree commit

bketelsen•8/13/24, 6:32 PM

don't forget this: https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2024/05/07/system-extensions-from-flatpak/

Happenings in GNOMEchergert

System Extensions from Flatpak

bketelsen•8/13/24, 6:34 PM

that's a significant chunk of the process we're working on here. Even introduces the idea of delivering a sysext via flatpak. Maybe that's not for us... maybe it is.

Bbketelsen that's a significant chunk of the process we're working on here. Even introduc...

antheas•8/13/24, 6:35 PM

article talks about GnomeOS

antheas•8/13/24, 6:35 PM

GnomeOS uses sysupd

Bbketelsen don't forget this: https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2024/05/07/system-extensions...

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:36 PM

I did not know about this.

antheas•8/13/24, 6:36 PM

not only that, but the systemd dude pushed for ostree to be replaced for it

antheas•8/13/24, 6:36 PM

GnomeOS used ostree prior to that

antheas•8/13/24, 6:36 PM

i spilt the tea hon

antheas•8/13/24, 6:36 PM

KKyle Gospo Good addition to topgrade

NoelOP•8/13/24, 6:38 PM

Topgrade is such a great tool.

Aantheas GnomeOS used ostree prior to that

tryhardsoccermomswag•8/13/24, 6:39 PM

EndlessOS too

tryhardsoccermomswag•8/13/24, 6:39 PM

not related sorry

Ttryhardsoccermomswag EndlessOS too

antheas•8/13/24, 6:39 PM

still is

antheas•8/13/24, 6:39 PM

or did they switch too?

tryhardsoccermomswag•8/13/24, 6:39 PM

i think it's still OSTree

j0rge•8/13/24, 7:18 PM

hwe skewed all sorts of ways today

Jj0rge hwe skewed all sorts of ways today

NoelOP•8/13/24, 7:36 PM

skew seems to be an eternal problem lol

Robert•8/13/24, 7:50 PM

Clarifying what the ublue-os/cosmic repo is for, to try and prevent the feature requests flowing in.
Please leave your comments if anything can be made clearer.
https://github.com/ublue-os/cosmic/pull/67

GitHub

chore: readme cleanup and clarify project scope by p5 · Pull Reques...

j0rge•8/13/24, 7:51 PM

sudo mokutil --import secure_boot.dersudo mokutil --import secure_boot.der should be public_key.derpublic_key.der, just fixed this in bluefin docs after someone reported it

j0rge•8/13/24, 7:52 PM

oh actually lemme just recommend

Jj0rge oh actually lemme just recommend

Robert•8/13/24, 7:53 PM

Yeah, that would be best. I'm away for an hour, so will make those updates a little later

j0rge•8/13/24, 7:53 PM

understood

I guess what I mean is what @Kyle Gospo and I talked about earlier which is trying to use already ex

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