flatpak-readonlyroot reads toml config to configure a custom Flatpak installation, it's not specific

flatpak-readonlyroot reads toml config to configure a custom Flatpak installation, it's not specific to bootc. The name reflects the intended use case rather than technical limitations

Jj0rge yeah maybe they'd help us enable centos builds lol

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:38 AM

What do you have in mind?

Iimbev flatpak-readonlyroot reads toml config to configure a custom Flatpak installatio...

Noel•8/15/24, 3:39 AM

Very nice! Do you know if the flatpaks that get installed resolve all the dependencies during installation?

NNoel Very nice! Do you know if the flatpaks that get installed resolve all the depend...

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:43 AM

Thanks

Yes, all dependencies are resolved

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:46 AM

The main downside of this approach is the increased filesize. e.g. platform dependencies are not shared between the flatpak-readonlyroot installation and the typical flatpak installations

Iimbev The main downside of this approach is the increased filesize. e.g. platform depe...

Noel•8/15/24, 3:46 AM

oh, so they only update on image build?

Noel•8/15/24, 3:46 AM

could be nice for some stuff I suppose.

NNoel oh, so they only update on image build?

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:47 AM

Yes, the flatpaks are completely managed by the mechanism that delivers /usr instead of flatpak's package management

Iimbev Yes, the flatpaks are completely managed by the mechanism that delivers /usr ins...

Noel•8/15/24, 3:48 AM

I could seeing this being useful specifically for like the gnome apps and such.

Noel•8/15/24, 3:48 AM

stuff you typically wouldn't want a user to uninstall.

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:48 AM

Exactly, I'm currently using it to deliver bootc-gtk

Noel•8/15/24, 3:49 AM

definitely gonna load your project up in a VM. Very interested to see what bootc-gtk looks like.

Noel•8/15/24, 3:49 AM

and other things you are doing.

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:49 AM

Thanks

Iimbev Thanks

Noel•8/15/24, 3:51 AM

any reason for the choice of CentOS Stream over Fedora?

Noel•8/15/24, 3:52 AM

oh you have it on the site lol

NNoel any reason for the choice of CentOS Stream over Fedora?

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:53 AM

It's recently AlmaLinux-based instead of CentOS Stream

Iimbev It's recently AlmaLinux-based instead of CentOS Stream

Noel•8/15/24, 3:53 AM

oh nice! Yeah, I was thinking about playing around with the Alma Linux bootc images.

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:55 AM

They're just like the CentOS Stream images, but minor-version stable

Iimbev They're just like the CentOS Stream images, but minor-version stable

Noel•8/15/24, 3:55 AM

for sure!

Noel•8/15/24, 3:56 AM

Looks like you use Lorax to build your ISOs?

Noel•8/15/24, 3:56 AM

oh I see, yours is a netinstall as well.

NNoel Looks like you use Lorax to build your ISOs?

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:57 AM

No, actually. The isos are upstream AlmaLinux boot isos, with some configuration swapped out

Iimbev No, actually. The isos are upstream AlmaLinux boot isos, with some configuration...

Noel•8/15/24, 3:57 AM

OH ok, so you're just editing the ISO and using a kickstart.

Noel•8/15/24, 3:57 AM

https://codeberg.org/HeliumOS/iso/src/commit/6675880252279a697eb9094385b473e8016999a0/heliumos.ks#L14

Codeberg.org

iso/heliumos.ks at 6675880252279a697eb9094385b473e8016999a0

Noel•8/15/24, 3:57 AM

this would make it a netinstaller here.

imbevOP•8/15/24, 3:58 AM

Yes, and also see https://codeberg.org/HeliumOS/iso/src/commit/6675880252279a697eb9094385b473e8016999a0/Makefile#L17

Codeberg.org

iso/Makefile at 6675880252279a697eb9094385b473e8016999a0

Noel•8/15/24, 3:59 AM

So one challenge you might find is that with a netinstall if your image gets any bigger, you will have install failures from users.

Noel•8/15/24, 3:59 AM

we ran into that problem and ended up moving to: https://github.com/JasonN3/build-container-installer/

GitHub

GitHub - JasonN3/build-container-installer: Creates an ISO for inst...

Creates an ISO for installing a container image as an OS - JasonN3/build-container-installer

Noel•8/15/24, 4:00 AM

makes your ISO quite a bit bigger, but it is fully offline.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:00 AM

you can also declare your flatpaks as part of install.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:01 AM

rather than bundling them into the image itself.

imbevOP•8/15/24, 4:01 AM

That's very powerful

Iimbev That's very powerful

Noel•8/15/24, 4:02 AM

It's really helped us a TON.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:02 AM

I really would love the netinstall option to have retries, but good luck with getting the Anaconda team to implement any features right now.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:02 AM

they are BURIED.

imbevOP•8/15/24, 4:04 AM

My main concern with that approach is that the infrastructure will expand beyond mkksiso and podman, but I'm reaching the limits of that as is

Noel•8/15/24, 4:04 AM

I love what you are doing here though, very cool stuff with bundling flatpaks as part of the image.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:04 AM

I don't believe anyone had solved that problem (up to this point) yet that I was aware of.

Iimbev My main concern with that approach is that the infrastructure will expand beyond...

Noel•8/15/24, 4:04 AM

yeah, I totally get that.

NNoel I don't believe anyone had solved that problem (up to this point) yet that I was...

imbevOP•8/15/24, 4:05 AM

It might not be solved yet, I'm now finding that GNOME Software doesn't play nice with read only Flatpak installations

Iimbev It might not be solved yet, I'm now finding that GNOME Software doesn't play nic...

Noel•8/15/24, 4:05 AM

working on flatpaks themselves make me want to crawl into a hole and cry.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:06 AM

documentation is...

Noel•8/15/24, 4:06 AM

lackluster lol

imbevOP•8/15/24, 4:06 AM

flatpak-builder

Noel•8/15/24, 4:07 AM

but yeah man, as far as the Alma Linux or CentOS based images, it would just be cool to have that option with all the ublue sauce on them.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:08 AM

Not exactly sure what @j0rge or anyone else had in mind though.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:08 AM

We don't do a ton of marketing around our main images like we used to just because they are really more build infrastructure than anything else.

Noel•8/15/24, 4:09 AM

At any rate, really glad to have you here @imbev. Always glad to see more folks in the space doing cool stuff!

NNoel At any rate, really glad to have you here @imbev. Always glad to see more folks ...

imbevOP•8/15/24, 4:10 AM

Glad to be here with you and the rest of this community!

NNoel working on flatpaks themselves make me want to crawl into a hole and cry.

imbevOP•8/15/24, 4:21 AM

Fortunately the problem is a simple fix: Don't let GNOME Software or Flatpak be aware of the custom Flatpak installation

flatpak-readonlyroot reads toml config to configure a custom Flatpak installation, it's not specific

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