Yes I am aware of that. I will try to find time for this. The other question: Are our build tags in

Yes I am aware of that. I will try to find time for this. The other question: Are our build tags in some form strange or confusing? I do not know how they are supposed to look.

IvoOP•8/20/24, 5:59 PM

We did layer the debug symbols but it did not work. I will try it again this weekend.

IIvo Yes I am aware of that. I will try to find time for this. The other question: Ar...

antheas•8/20/24, 6:00 PM

turns out github was broken when i was checking it

antheas•8/20/24, 6:00 PM

and then ghcr died after a few hours

IIvo We did layer the debug symbols but it did not work. I will try it again this wee...

RoyalOughtness•8/20/24, 6:28 PM

what are you going to try? layering debuginfo packages doesn't cause them to be loaded

IvoOP•8/20/24, 6:30 PM

I did not had time to think about this. I wanted to fork the repo and include the packages in the build itself. That would be my first try

IIvo I did not had time to think about this. I wanted to fork the repo and include th...

RoyalOughtness•8/20/24, 8:13 PM

by layering in the build? likely will be the same

RoyalOughtness•8/20/24, 8:14 PM

~~would probably be better to ask the rpm-ostree devs directly how they do this~~ nevermind, they're already on the thread

KKyle Gospo @RoyalOughtness https://github.com/ublue-os/main/pull/631

RoyalOughtness•8/20/24, 8:15 PM

can we get a rebuild across the ublue stack for this? main is rebuilt but hwe/bluefin/bazzite all have no fuse support temporarily

RoyalOughtness•8/20/24, 8:15 PM

i guess a few hours of no appimages isn't the worst thing ever

RRoyalOughtness i guess a few hours of no appimages isn't the worst thing ever 😛

Kyle Gospo•8/20/24, 8:29 PM

Nature is healing

Robert•8/20/24, 9:09 PM

Timothee talking about bootc
https://www.youtube.com/live/zF7aTCoWoLQ?si=t6OlgrV-UmE2d0Hz

YouTubeFedora Project

The Next Generation of Linux? | Fedora Podcast 36

As the popularity of atomic and immutable Linux distros grows, how does Fedora take things to the next level? Short answer: bootc. By learning from container...

RRobert Timothee talking about bootc https://www.youtube.com/live/zF7aTCoWoLQ?si=t6Olgr...

TeamLinux01•8/20/24, 10:09 PM

Just started listening; I was going to share as well.

RoyalOughtness•8/20/24, 10:49 PM

https://github.com/ublue-os/config/pull/316

GitHub

feat: set Recommends=false by default to minimize layer size by qoi...

coreos/rpm-ostree#4974
ublue-os/main#632

j0rge•8/20/24, 11:46 PM

@yukidream lol your snap question on the fedora podcast, hahaha

RRobert Timothee talking about bootc https://www.youtube.com/live/zF7aTCoWoLQ?si=t6Olgr...

Noel•8/21/24, 12:11 AM

Gonna listen as soon as I can

Jj0rge @yukidream lol your snap question on the fedora podcast, hahaha

dreamyuki•8/21/24, 12:24 AM

tbh i want snap support on Fedora Atomic for stuff that is not available on homebrew like unsandboxed GUI apps

Ddreamyuki tbh i want snap support on Fedora Atomic for stuff that is not available on home...

RoyalOughtness•8/21/24, 12:28 AM

you can always use bubblejailbubblejail

RoyalOughtness•8/21/24, 12:45 AM

@Kyle Gospo I wonder if the rpm-ostreed.conf is ignored because rpm-ostreed needs to be restarted?

RoyalOughtness•8/21/24, 12:45 AM

to pick up the change?

RoyalOughtness•8/21/24, 12:50 AM

nvm, no wonder it's ignored:

System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.

System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.

Noel•8/21/24, 2:19 AM

@Kyle Gospo @antheas thinking about this a bit more, @imbev made this project which might be useful for pre installing Flatpaks that we wouldn't want the user to remove potentially? Stuff gnome apps, KDE apps, etc.?

Noel•8/21/24, 2:19 AM

https://codeberg.org/HeliumOS/flatpak-readonlyroot/src/tag/v0.2

Codeberg.org

flatpak-readonlyroot

Manage installed Flatpaks via a read-only filesystem.

Noel•8/21/24, 2:20 AM

That way, at least if you rebase, you have a base set of software that is included in the image?

Noel•8/21/24, 2:20 AM

Not sure how this would interact with rechunk however.

Kyle Gospo•8/21/24, 2:37 AM

I think that would also mean the flatpaks update with the system

Kyle Gospo•8/21/24, 2:38 AM

For security reasons I definitely don't want to do that

Kyle Gospo•8/21/24, 2:38 AM

Either that, or they exist in the read only part and also in a readable part, meaning it takes up double the space that does now

Kyle Gospo•8/21/24, 2:38 AM

Rather just let them uninstall stuff

j0rge•8/21/24, 3:20 AM

@Noel if you have the capacity to ask around to see if owen taylor's plan for /etc/preinstall for flatpaks is still the plan that would be useful. There's an upstream issue in flatpak for it.

antheas•8/21/24, 9:20 AM

i mean rechunk just repackages the image as an ostree commit

antheas•8/21/24, 9:21 AM

flatpaks are something we can revisit now that rechunk can handle partitioning big applications

antheas•8/21/24, 9:21 AM

once i receive the ally x i plan to work on a dx bazzite image, at the beginning for personal use

antheas•8/21/24, 9:23 AM

certain flatpaks might make sense to package in the image, e.g., filelight and calculator

jstone•8/21/24, 1:20 PM

Looks like bootupd, bootc, and dnf are going to be included in F41 atomic spins https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNFAndBootcInImageModeFedora https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd

$ podman run --pull=newer --entrypoint=rpm quay.io/fedora-ostree-desktops/silverblue:41 -qa | grep 'boot\|dnf'
bootupd-0.2.20-2.fc41.x86_64
libdnf5-5.2.5.0-2.fc41.x86_64
libdnf5-cli-5.2.5.0-2.fc41.x86_64
dnf5-5.2.5.0-2.fc41.x86_64
bootc-0.1.15-1.fc41.x86_64
dnf5-plugins-5.2.5.0-2.fc41.x86_64
efibootmgr-18-7.fc41.x86_64

$ podman run --pull=newer --entrypoint=rpm quay.io/fedora-ostree-desktops/silverblue:41 -qa | grep 'boot\|dnf'
bootupd-0.2.20-2.fc41.x86_64
libdnf5-5.2.5.0-2.fc41.x86_64
libdnf5-cli-5.2.5.0-2.fc41.x86_64
dnf5-5.2.5.0-2.fc41.x86_64
bootc-0.1.15-1.fc41.x86_64
dnf5-plugins-5.2.5.0-2.fc41.x86_64
efibootmgr-18-7.fc41.x86_64

DNFAndBootcInImageModeFedora

FedoraSilverblueBootupd

RoyalOughtness•8/21/24, 5:45 PM

@j0rge @Kyle Gospo should we just go ahead with https://github.com/ublue-os/config/pull/316 ?

it at least helps with these cases https://github.com/ublue-os/main/issues/632#issuecomment-2302192396

Kyle Gospo•8/21/24, 5:45 PM

yes, I think it's good for the end-user

RoyalOughtness•8/21/24, 5:46 PM

cool, I just need one more approval then

I'll leave the issue open though since it's only partially resolved