Is it really missed? It's not like the queue is drying up as it is currently 🙂
Is it really missed? It's not like the queue is drying up as it is currently 
AWell yeah, honestly.
PAdertising is still good for business though
ADon't get me wrong I like walmis, and Rhino, I'm buying one for review, but a response could've helped at least educate the guy
AHe should've done a bit more research himself, but still.
AWe all get things wrong, but there is also a point where it becomes a tad silly
VIdk if it's just my mindset but I really don't really think every Youtuber and their grandmas should get stuff for review just because they have a YT channel with XY amount of subscribers.
Many times have I seen stuff from such Youtubers that's just plain wrong but because they don't know better, the audience they reach takes that at the face value and the circle of misinformation begins.
On the other hand, Rhino is in circulation for a while now. I firmly believe that 90% in the flightsim community have already heard about the Rhino from the owners and DIYers. Better to get a "review" from people actually owning it and using it rather than someone who's just gotten it an played with it for a bit without looking in too deep.
Many times have I seen stuff from such Youtubers that's just plain wrong but because they don't know better, the audience they reach takes that at the face value and the circle of misinformation begins.
On the other hand, Rhino is in circulation for a while now. I firmly believe that 90% in the flightsim community have already heard about the Rhino from the owners and DIYers. Better to get a "review" from people actually owning it and using it rather than someone who's just gotten it an played with it for a bit without looking in too deep.
JHip isn't a dev
JAnd yeah interest isn't slowing at all.
JAlso did hip even join the discord and ask stuff here? Or just typical send an email or dm
JCan't convince me a genuine effort was made on their part tbh, either in getting a unit for review, or in gathering information about the rhino
JIf anything the comment makes hip look bad, not walmis
JJust my $0.02
AI don't have a metric ton of subs, but I have really good engagement, Some of the largest channels that review stuff are the worst at reviewing them. I'm sure it has more to do with production value and things like that than actual content.
AIn this industry, word of mouth is extremely strong. And sometimes companies don't really realise that. Some companies that are super big in this inudstry are starting to find this out as the competition mounts.
AAnd you are absolutely right, if you are passionate about flight sim hardware at all, you already knew about Rhino.
AHonestly HIP isn't really a reviewer either, this is just promotion.
CEvery time I see things like this about products not responding to YouTubers and the following discussion. It always feels like the YouTubers are complaining about not getting a review sample or just something flat out for free before everyone else.
In a world where everyone and their mother is an influencer it's kinda tiresome. Especially when we are talking about a niche product inside of a small niche inside the community of gamers.
In a world where everyone and their mother is an influencer it's kinda tiresome. Especially when we are talking about a niche product inside of a small niche inside the community of gamers.
S"In a world where everyone and their mother is an influencer" 
So true...
And anyway, having looked at a lot of those reviews, most of those guys have no idea about how ffb should feel...
Recently saw one making an extensive review, with lots of comments (positive and negative), to finally say at the end "well, I never flew an airplane, but I know how it should feel..."
Anyway, anybody using the Rhino with the PMDG 737 ?
So true...And anyway, having looked at a lot of those reviews, most of those guys have no idea about how ffb should feel...
Recently saw one making an extensive review, with lots of comments (positive and negative), to finally say at the end "well, I never flew an airplane, but I know how it should feel..."
Anyway, anybody using the Rhino with the PMDG 737 ?
HAs long as the queue is filled to the max, I don’t see the point in handing out review samples.
STo make the queue even longer 
HId rather have a regular mortal get one
SFor any YTer asking for a review, Walmis should randomly pick 1 guy from the queue and send it to him
CI think the YouTubers misunderstand Walmis. I can't speak for certain, as I am drawing some conclusions from what I have seen. But if Walmis was really worried about finding every last person in the world to sell a Rhino too, or drive out all competition. He wouldn't sell the kits, and actively support those who build their own and even those we sell kits themselves right in his Discord 
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.HI’d imagine the current setup is better for peace of mind.
HOr perhaps he has nightmares of the ever increasing queues.
Ar/hotas intensifies 
AAnything he gets for free to review is awesome; if he doesn’t get something for free, he roasts it to hell and back
AEven that pirated Virpil design got a glowing review, the one that got a lawsuit in the face
Afree stuff is free
SI put a piece of plywood under my NLR seat, removed a cross bar, and mounted my rhino directly on the ground. https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/972180323787997255/1248347874559791124
AI'm looking to review it.... But I'm buying it, and have been in queue just like you folks
AThanks man, I was curious how the cross member would handle it
SThe issue with the NLR seat is that the section of that cross-member is diagonal to the ground. So you have to come up with some kind of weird mount. This was my first stab at it before I reailzed ground mounting would be easier.
SI used to be in the queue, now I'm ahead of the queue ! 
Enjoy the Rhino when you get it !
Enjoy the Rhino when you get it !
AThat's awesome, I have been in since Feb, so it will be soon!
S9 months in the queue for me, it was worth the wait !
LHi all! Had a question on the rhino. Can the software integrate with a game like I racing to provide ffb on the roll axis for turning and potentially on the Y axis for throttle? Working on an accessibility build for a friend
AI have a different seat than you, maybe the cross member works for me in this one, I'm not afraid of fabrication
HHi there, contemplating/planning a rhino + tiger pedals build. But have a few questions that I wasn't able to easily resolve by searching the msg history.
1. When using both the rhino and pedals, are they controlled in the same setups, and changed simultaneously? or do you run two instances of the software?
2. I'd like to make it with extra power (using 86's) but have seen people comment on the cogging, is this something that those users have calibrated out? or is that just something to expect?
I'd like to use it on a 20mm extension, and just worry about not enough force for me (on my racing rig I use 20NM, but mid cornering average is 12-15NM , but this is apples and oranges I know)
3. For those that built using the 86 did anyone try is with the gimbal 3d printed (I'd probably wont use it at full power, and have PAHT-CF), or is this straight up get it CNC'd? (anyone done this in Australia?)
4. Thinking of modifying my build so it's lower by moving the underneath motor to the side, to better fit the 20mm extension. Has anyone done this? I have a Trak Racer TRX so can't mount to the floor.
1. When using both the rhino and pedals, are they controlled in the same setups, and changed simultaneously? or do you run two instances of the software?
2. I'd like to make it with extra power (using 86's) but have seen people comment on the cogging, is this something that those users have calibrated out? or is that just something to expect?
I'd like to use it on a 20mm extension, and just worry about not enough force for me (on my racing rig I use 20NM, but mid cornering average is 12-15NM , but this is apples and oranges I know)
3. For those that built using the 86 did anyone try is with the gimbal 3d printed (I'd probably wont use it at full power, and have PAHT-CF), or is this straight up get it CNC'd? (anyone done this in Australia?)
4. Thinking of modifying my build so it's lower by moving the underneath motor to the side, to better fit the 20mm extension. Has anyone done this? I have a Trak Racer TRX so can't mount to the floor.
TCan speak on 86 construction, but I don’t have pedals.
2) I had minor cogging on 1 axis at the center point of the motor (2048 on the encoder). I reduced belt tension and it effectively went away so I think it was just an issue caused by the tension as I originally was cranking it down.
3) I’ve done the gimbal 3d printed and haven’t had issue yet but am running it pretty light, don’t have much time or force on it to say much. But my thought was, I’ll try it this way and beef it up if it fails. I print my own so that’s not as much of a deal to me.
4) 86 motor build are pretty much all custom right now. The files available publicly only for the 57 series motors. So you are kind of already going to be designing it for your specific application. All of the popular file sets available use the gimbal over motor design but you can use at least the gimbal parts as a design basis to fit into your custom chassis.
2) I had minor cogging on 1 axis at the center point of the motor (2048 on the encoder). I reduced belt tension and it effectively went away so I think it was just an issue caused by the tension as I originally was cranking it down.
3) I’ve done the gimbal 3d printed and haven’t had issue yet but am running it pretty light, don’t have much time or force on it to say much. But my thought was, I’ll try it this way and beef it up if it fails. I print my own so that’s not as much of a deal to me.
4) 86 motor build are pretty much all custom right now. The files available publicly only for the 57 series motors. So you are kind of already going to be designing it for your specific application. All of the popular file sets available use the gimbal over motor design but you can use at least the gimbal parts as a design basis to fit into your custom chassis.
NOn the software side...
When you start the configuration software, you tell it which device you want to load. You can launch and connect to multiple devices and manage them separately.
The telemetry software is multiple instances of the same application under the hood, but the UI is managed through the primary instance and you have the opportunity to adjust the effects on each FFB device individually.
When you start the configuration software, you tell it which device you want to load. You can launch and connect to multiple devices and manage them separately.
The telemetry software is multiple instances of the same application under the hood, but the UI is managed through the primary instance and you have the opportunity to adjust the effects on each FFB device individually.
HSweet, cheers for the answers! They help a lot.
For a 86 built does it use the same belts as the 57? And is cooling any different?
For a 86 built does it use the same belts as the 57? And is cooling any different?
TSame pitch and width yes, but length will vary based on your design. For cooling if you are doing your own design, you can cool it however you want. But both motors use the same control board which only has headers for two fans.
HRegarding cooling. The bigger motors have much more thermal mass than the small ones, which in my opinion means two things - for the same amount of load they will take much, much longer to get heat saturated (they have more power though), but when they are, it takes more to cool them down as well.
The original 80mm fan is already on the small side imho. I modified my Rhino to incorporate a T30, which is capable to hold the temp at bay under constant load.
So when you are already planning on doing your own design, I would incorporate at least a 120 mm PC case fan and thoroughly think about airflow patterns.
(btw. what kind of gimbal are you going to use?)
The original 80mm fan is already on the small side imho. I modified my Rhino to incorporate a T30, which is capable to hold the temp at bay under constant load.
So when you are already planning on doing your own design, I would incorporate at least a 120 mm PC case fan and thoroughly think about airflow patterns.
(btw. what kind of gimbal are you going to use?)
BThe 80mm fan is honestly 80mm more than most get for these devices.
Most wheelbase doesn't have cooling at all, neither does the Brünner or the upcoming Moza.
My suspicion is it takes a lot of effort to cool these through all the thermal mass so a fan really isn't doing much for the motors at all, but it does exchange the ambient air in the case.
To actually do anything for the motors you would have t wrap it in cooling fins and heatpipes, and you would still be nowhere near doing much of anything in terms of winding temps.
Most wheelbase doesn't have cooling at all, neither does the Brünner or the upcoming Moza.
My suspicion is it takes a lot of effort to cool these through all the thermal mass so a fan really isn't doing much for the motors at all, but it does exchange the ambient air in the case.
To actually do anything for the motors you would have t wrap it in cooling fins and heatpipes, and you would still be nowhere near doing much of anything in terms of winding temps.
HCheers for the info, yeah thought the larger motor would be able to disperse the heat better due to mass, if at similar power. Not sure on the gimbal yet, didn’t know there were different types being used. Only at the start of planning, haven’t started anything in fusion360 yet. So will take onboard any tips or learnings. Have been putting thought behind how to make a stronger gimbal, like a 3d print with an imbedded metal frame (via pausing print part way).
HThat‘s not really true. When you pull max force on the rhino, anything above 20-25 amps on the y-axis motor it heats up about (very roughly) 1 C every 1-2 seconds or so. So basically you have 30-60 sec continuous max force before thermal throttling sets in without active cooling (depending on ambient temp too of course). With the stock fan you can slow down that temp build up, but only so much. Usually that gets you to a point where you don’t notice throttling because most jets can’t sustain max force for so long and eventually the load will drop and the motor can cool down.
However with a more powerful fan and a reworked airflow pattern, I can actually keep the temperature from raising above any critical threshold while being at constant max load.
However with a more powerful fan and a reworked airflow pattern, I can actually keep the temperature from raising above any critical threshold while being at constant max load.
HI‘m very much looking forward to @walmis next release of the VP control software with the ability to actively control the fans. Because I think it would be very beneficial to have the fans running at slow speeds all the time and ramp them up early(er) to slow down the temp saturation.
HI‘m not sure the basic gimbal design can handle the big motors. (3d-printed).
HWill this be with the same 2 fan pins? So will modulate power itself?