but i don't think that's fair because it's not like they didn't have an option to not use these tech
but i don't think that's fair because it's not like they didn't have an option to not use these technologies
Pthe engine they used literally accommodates developers who don't want to use that shit
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thats sickPbut in ten years the guys who probably just cut their teeth in the industry will just have to re-learn all that raytracing stuff if they don't do it now
GYou don't think it's fair to blame them for delivering a horribly compromised product?
Pi thought you were blaming the industry at-large
Plet me go back and check what you said
Pyeah
Pthe developers could have just not used these technologies
Pthey made the decision for themselves to not fall behind
Plet's not baby people
Pthere are 100 bajillion games releasing every other day that do not use these technologies
GI feel like you're the one babying people
GYou don't want to blame anybody
Pthey don't care about having the prettiest graphics ever
Pand like i said earlier if you wait to play the game later on then you can just totally avoid any of these problems so idk if it even matters
Plike who wins if we try to blame people over this
GIf a game is horribly optimized you blame the developer. It's that simple.
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GOverarchingly I blame Nvidia for making DLSS because they needed to, and AMD for making fsr
GBut on an individual studio basis yes it's completely their fault
GThey're the ones making these decisions, so yeah they receive blame
Pi think you're missing the point that people can and will just get left behind at this point regardless of DLSS and FSR existing.
Pif a developer decides that barely stable 60fps on a 4090 is their optimization target
Pthen you're the one with old hardware
GI mean there are a lot of 4090s on the charts I posted earlier that had a really poor performance
GSo I'm not sure if old hardware really has anything to do with it here
MI think DLSS upscaling tech is a cool concept it just depends on how the devs take advantage of it of course like on my 4070 I don't really need to use it for the games I play but stuff like on a gaming handheld it is nice to have that option
Pwhen crysis released people would be shitting their pants and screaming if they had the chance to play it that way at all
GI think upscaling would be great if the industry used that to let people with older GPUs play newer games. But what's currently happening is studios for putting so little effort into actually optimizing these titles that even current top tier GPUs can't play native
Pnow we actively hate people for pushing the envelope >:(((
GIt's a little different when it was oh that's just crisis that one weird old game that was just horrible to run on anything at the time
GSo now where it's just oh a lot of these titles coming out are just garbage on current hardware
GThis isn't "pushing the envelope" this is just pushing the seams of people's wallets
Pwell there's two schools of thought and if developers want to use DLSS that way we can't really stop 'em, all we can do is, as we have done before, wait until we have better hardware to play their titles
GIf current hardware isn't good enough it's a bad product
Pyou could've made the exact same argument back when crysis released that they are just trying to milk people's wallets with tech demo material
GExcept I just said the reason it's an issue now is because it's a trend and most studios are getting behind it
GThen it was just one game
Pit's been a trend since fucking doom 3
GScaling resolutions to mask horrible optimization?
Pmaking a game 99% of people can't fucking run
Pyes
Pit has literally been a thing certain studios do ever since we went from doom 1 to doom 3 in ten years and it took another three years before anyone could actually play it reasonably
GOh look all of these cards running at native resolution, and for the top tiered ones they're even running above 60 FPS
Pdo you know how many people actually owned a 6800 ultra when doom 3 released
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Pthis is again like saying "omg it only runs on a supercomputer wtf these guys are shit developers"
Pthis may as well be a list of GPUs nobody owned
