VPforce Controls•16mo ago

Nice, I have that "tiny" PS here from my old Dyadic Actuators 🙂 Will test with them but replace th

Nice, I have that "tiny" PS here from my old Dyadic Actuators

Will test with them but replace them as the internal fan is annoying.

Wwalmis both are roughly the same

Hiob•9/13/24, 9:47 AM

Ah, yeah - I see from the spec sheet. How would the voltage effect these? The big motor could in theory run on 48V. Just go faster? Less waste heat?

Hiob•9/13/24, 9:47 AM

I get that your logic board only support 24V, right?

HHenning Piez Nice, I have that "tiny" PS here from my old Dyadic Actuators 🙂 Will test with...

Hiob•9/13/24, 9:54 AM

I started by using the old PSU from a 3D-printer. It had a fan that would instantly respond to any change in load. Pulling more G = more fan noise. Quite irritating. I then got the Meanwell 350/24 - it is dead silent since then.

HHiob Ah, yeah - I see from the spec sheet. How would the voltage effect these? The bi...

walmis•9/13/24, 9:57 AM

The voltage rating is KV in essence i.e. how fast it spins per volt, the less KV the more torque per amp. The 86BLF is rated 3000RPM @ 48V for example.
The voltage, at standstill @ max torque, in the windings is something like 3V. So the 48V etc rating is useless if motor is not used for spinning applications.

Clint•9/13/24, 1:35 PM

Does the Rhino work in old space combat games such as Descent Freespace 1 and 2 that had force feedback support? I know they were just simple haptic effects such as when firing guns, missiles, or applying after burner, but just curious. Thanks.

AndyHill•9/13/24, 1:38 PM

with anything that old it's a big maybe, but Rhino does support directx ffb

j9murphy•9/13/24, 1:46 PM

does the rhino ship with a power supply or I need to supply my own? I have a meanwell UHP 1000w 24V PS that I could use, overkill I know, but silent and I could run both the pedals, the ffb base, and some other stuff off of a single supply I guess.

j9murphy•9/13/24, 1:48 PM

max output is 42A on the DC side

TheAmazinGreat•9/13/24, 1:49 PM

Yes a power supply is included with the production rhinos

Jj9murphy does the rhino ship with a power supply or I need to supply my own? I have a mea...

Hiob•9/13/24, 2:22 PM

You can use that, even though the Rhino comes with one.

VKNG•9/13/24, 4:00 PM

Does anyone know where I can get a 17° throw limiter?

Col. Sanders•9/13/24, 4:07 PM

Make one or buy one from. Walmis.

j9murphy•9/13/24, 4:43 PM

that question (throw limiter) opens up some questions for me that I'e been wanting to ask... Let's suppose (for discussion) that I'm trying to replicate the throw of an f18 stick. I think I want to replicate the angular distances that the real f18 stick covers not necessarily replicate the angle that it travels. This is because distance traveled will vary based on the length of the stick to cover the angle. My theory is therefore that the angular distance is more appropriate to replicate than the angle. Using a little math based on real f18 stick specs and the actual length of my own stick I can then replicate the actual throw distance in my simpit by using the appropriate angle throw limiters. Is this the right approach?

j9murphy•9/13/24, 4:52 PM

so back to the f18 example, if the actual aircraft has 3" of travel in each roll direction and my stick is 18" from the pivot to the trigger, then using theta = arc length / radius gives me theta = 3 / 18 (*180/pi to go from radians to degrees) I get 9.5 degrees in each direction as the appropriate roll throw.

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 4:52 PM

Your approach is the most practical and would be the one i would use based on those constraints (length of stick vs real length of stick). Just be aware that there will still be differences as it ultimately comes down to rotational precision at the gimble. so if your stick has less angular displacement for the same linear throw you will have less precision at the gimble aka it will be more sensitive. and vice versa if you have a greater angular displacement

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 4:53 PM

bit it all is a compromise unless you replicate all the dimensions

j9murphy•9/13/24, 4:54 PM

@buzzbomb I think part of what you are saying is that if i limit the travel of the stick too much I lose a lot of resolution in the stick position sensor?

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 4:54 PM

yes

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 4:55 PM

i havent finished my coffee so my s'planing skills arent awake yet

j9murphy•9/13/24, 4:59 PM

typically that problem would be more likely to occur the longer the stick is... I think mine will be mounted without any extension, so unless the travel of the actual stick is really small (like the f16 is) I should be ok? My guess is that you want to use at least half of the available rhino throw, but I'm open for other opinions on that.

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 5:01 PM

it really depends on the geometry and the aircraft. The F16 is an outlier as its a force sensing stick and displacement doesnt really play into the input to the FLCS. Its just there for the pilot's 'feel'

j9murphy•9/13/24, 5:06 PM

agreed, probably bad example in this case. I think the question is how much can you limit the throw of the rhino for a particular aircraft until you lose so much sensor resolution that you've made the aircraft hard to control and/or begin to lose the "feel" of the aircraft

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 5:07 PM

that is likely a personal preference and not really an objective one

j9murphy•9/13/24, 5:08 PM

yeah to make it objective I would have to have experience in the real aircraft, but no matter how often i ask that, the answer is always no! lol

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 5:08 PM

im sure there is an objective limit to the rotational sensitivy of the sensor but i cant tell you if you will hate the fell before you reach that limit or not

Jj9murphy yeah to make it objective I would have to have experience in the real aircraft, ...

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 5:08 PM

yeah

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 5:09 PM

i plan on doing a bunch of GA stuff at first, at least i have some practical experience there

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 5:19 PM

unfortunately most of the RW aircraft i have flown regularly with a stick have non-standard setups. The stick is geometry is essentially the same as a yoke. But The Rv-12, and 7 are normal but also really light on the controls. They will be a good comparison test in terms of angular sensitivity

Reed•9/13/24, 6:36 PM

I started with 11 degree throw limiter for helos and now I’m running a 10-8 throw limiter for helos. Didn’t need as much side to side.

RReed I started with 11 degree throw limiter for helos and now I’m running a 10-8 thro...

DARRYL•9/13/24, 7:14 PM

With what length of stick?

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/13/24, 10:00 PM

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Jon (Bounty_V)•9/13/24, 10:01 PM

Wonder how it is cooled and how long it can sustain

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/13/24, 10:01 PM

And more importantly software effects etc.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/13/24, 10:01 PM

Either way great news for flight sim

DDARRYL With what length of stick?

Reed•9/13/24, 10:10 PM

38-40cm

buzzbomb•9/13/24, 10:22 PM

imho software is the single most important part of a FFB/CLS system, that's why im skeptical about WW and Moza's offerings for the forseable future

Daz_bike•9/14/24, 5:48 AM

Winwing does not have good software, at least to date. Quality issues might also be a problem given the low cost and apparent high power of the unit.

DDaz_bike Winwing does not have good software, at least to date. Quality issues might also...

buzzbomb•9/14/24, 6:08 AM

yep i have two of their throttles, identical models (with different grips). and there are substantial quality difference between them. Their software is Meh, i only use it for calibration. Their customer support is sssllllloooowww and actually had me open up one of the grips and rip a SMD device, a diode, off the pcb to solve a problem.

VVKNG Does anyone know where I can get a 17° throw limiter?

TheAmazinGreat•9/14/24, 6:33 AM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1092338475795238962/1092338475795238962

Bbuzzbomb imho software is the single most important part of a FFB/CLS system, that's why ...

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden•9/14/24, 7:08 AM

well FWIW they do have some experience in making level 5 FTD and they did also claim that the experience has been applied to it ("FAA FAR-PART60 LEVEL 5 Joystick Control Loading (Force) Modeling"). At least they have some advantage on that part if they truthfully honor their words. But yeah it's WW and the price is quite unusually low so we'll have to see..
Also they almost certianly won't support grips from other brands which could be a problem.