Hi All……need of some help. I just got the DIY motor and controller PCB to fabricate a collective

Hi All……need of some help. I just got the DIY motor and controller PCB to fabricate a collective control, but no data sheet or similar instructions were included in how to wire up the two. I searched for about an hour on google, YT and on the VPforce web site but I’m at a loss as to where to find the info. Obviously it must be somewhere as plenty have done their own setups using the DIY motor and controller. Maybe I’m just dumb but can’t find any data sheet or tech info.
Cheers

MMike T Hi All……need of some help. I just got the DIY motor and controller PCB to fab...

Hiob•9/17/24, 5:21 AM

In the assembly instructions you can find on the protomaker github is a wiring diagram. you can also go to the knowledge base for the Crosswind Pedals Mod. There is a picture of the wiring. You just need to plug in the other motor for a collective.

MMike T Hi All……need of some help. I just got the DIY motor and controller PCB to fab...

Hiob•9/17/24, 5:23 AM

Assembly_Reference12.pdf4.78MB

Hiob•9/17/24, 5:26 AM

Hiob•9/17/24, 5:28 AM

You need to connect the other motor though. (pedals are roll axis, collective is pitch so to say). When firing up the contraption you need to disable the unused axis in the VP configurator.

HHiob Click to see attachment

Mike TOP•9/17/24, 6:37 AM

Hi Hiob……thanks very much for that Assembly Reference you attached, helps a lot…..would not have found that …….i wonder why VPforce can’t have something like that info on their site?
Cheers

Mike TOP•9/17/24, 8:18 AM

Hiob, the motor sent to me says Roll……does it matter? Can I use it for pitch as you say for the collective? Also on the board it’s labelled Motor 1 and 2……which is which?
Ta

Hiob•9/17/24, 9:09 AM

I think that doesn't really matter. Maybe my assumption was wrong and a single motor is always roll. Either way, you can swap axis in the configurator anyway.

Hiob•9/17/24, 9:11 AM

You just need to make sure, that the power wires (blue/yellow) and control wires (white) go in the corresponding connectors. See my picture. When you use the left socket also use the middle power connectors, when you use the right socket, use the right power connectors.

Hiob•9/17/24, 9:14 AM

You can just wire up the pcb and motors and connect it to the software before assembling the whole device and check if it works correctly.

Mike TOP•9/17/24, 10:07 AM

Thanks…..feeling more confident now…..

TeufelHunden•9/17/24, 12:23 PM

What is the standard procedure for when the Rhino is not being used? Do I need to unplug the power cord or can I just simply hit the "E" red button and the motors go to standby mode? What is best for the system?

TTeufelHunden What is the standard procedure for when the Rhino is not being used? Do I need t...

Hiob•9/17/24, 12:38 PM

That is basically the same. The E-button cuts the V+, pulling the cord cuts V+ and V-(aka ground). Either way there isn't a closed electric circuit anymore. However - gun to my head - pulling the plug entirely is always the most safe option.

Hiob•9/17/24, 12:41 PM

Personally I use a switched outlet/extension.

kaltokri•9/17/24, 1:44 PM

I use also a switchable socket outlet and switch off the power of all my devices in the simrig.
It will save energy and I have a better feeling.

VRFGiPJP•9/17/24, 2:41 PM

I wish to cancel the orders, how can it be done?

VVRFGiPJP I wish to cancel the orders, how can it be done?

Hiob•9/17/24, 2:58 PM

Contact @walmis

VRFGiPJP•9/17/24, 3:31 PM

Got it, thanks.

Hammer 1-1•9/17/24, 6:51 PM

huh...

Hammer 1-1•9/17/24, 6:52 PM

did i put that in correctly?

Number481•9/17/24, 6:53 PM

either directly DM the bot or type

/info <youremail>

/info <youremail>

here and it will return a private response (I believe)

Hammer 1-1•9/17/24, 6:53 PM

ok, ill try that

Hammer 1-1•9/17/24, 6:54 PM

yep, worked..819 left to go

Hammer 1-1•9/17/24, 6:55 PM

jesus...

HHammer 1-1 jesus...

kaltokri•9/17/24, 7:39 PM

If you are not patience enough it is still possible to go the DIY way.

smitty•9/17/24, 11:33 PM

also it doesnt cost anything to just remain on the list and then decide at the time your number is called up

HHiob You just need to make sure, that the power wires (blue/yellow) and control wires...

Mike TOP•9/18/24, 12:06 AM

Hiob…..another quick question ……so the motor controller PCB also acts like a HID controller…right? In other words I don’t need to get something like the Bodnar board to connect buttons and analog pots …..it can be done via the VPforce board?
Ta

MMike T Hiob…..another quick question ……so the motor controller PCB also acts like a HID...

TheAmazinGreat•9/18/24, 12:20 AM

There are two JST-XH 3pin headers for analog pots and a 5pin JST-XH for the grip connection. All button inputs come through the grip. If you have a supported grip that has analog axes it will come through on the 5pin grip connector.

Kkaltokri If you are not patience enough it is still possible to go the DIY way. 😉

Hammer 1-1•9/18/24, 12:31 AM

oh Im patient, thats just...wow, DEMAND...for a hobbyist doing this job alone, thats a big order

Hammer 1-1•9/18/24, 12:32 AM

it reminds me of MFG Crosswinds when simundza started up his kits

Hammer 1-1•9/18/24, 12:33 AM

how long of a wait is that going to be? speculative...

FlatSpin•9/18/24, 2:16 AM

!status

FFlatSpin !status

VPforceBot•9/18/24, 2:16 AM

Hey @FlatSpin,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0698 on 2024-09-17
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 207 days, median is 208 days, max is 437 days
673 Rhinos are shipped in total

TTheAmazinGreat There are two JST-XH 3pin headers for analog pots and a 5pin JST-XH for the grip...

Mike TOP•9/18/24, 7:33 AM

Thanks

Hiob•9/18/24, 7:55 AM

Nothing to add...

AArew Has anyone else had issues with the Rhino and the F-14B where the Rhino all of a...

Arew•9/19/24, 2:30 AM

Update on this, it's happening pretty regularly now, at least every other flight. Tonight it just went full back stick for no reason. I've reset Configurator midflight hoping that would fix it and it doesn't. Trim will work until I let go and it just goes back to full direction it's leaning.

Arew•9/19/24, 2:32 AM

Pretty frustrating because I don't fly very often anymore and over 50% of my flights are getting interupted by the motors just pulling left and now apparently back for seemingly no reason.

Arew•9/19/24, 2:42 AM

Pretty much every flight is on multiplayer server if that helps, but its almost always with someone else who has a Rhino and it's not happening to them.

Arew•9/19/24, 2:42 AM

Not really sure how to record data for this

Arew•9/19/24, 2:45 AM

In the joystick indicator, the blue circle will be full whatever direction it's leaning. Debug doesn't show anything.

AArew Pretty much every flight is on multiplayer server if that helps, but its almost ...

Number481•9/19/24, 3:10 AM

- Shouldn't be anything in TelemFFB that would do this, but verify it occurs without it running just to be sure
- Verify there's only one Spring effect in the Debug tab "Loaded effects" tab. I've never seen the DCS generated one be anything other than

ID:5

ID:5

.

The only 2 things that can make the center offset change for the spring effect that DCS starts:
- The sim itself (trim for example)
- The "override trim" feature in the configurator effects tab

NNumber481 - Shouldn't be anything in TelemFFB that would do this, but verify it occurs wit...

Arew•9/19/24, 3:13 AM

Thank you, I will copy this and try to test it by this weekend and report back

AArew Thank you, I will copy this and try to test it by this weekend and report back

Number481•9/19/24, 3:24 AM

I’d also try to verify it is/isn’t the in game trim. Does the 14 have trim position indicators in the cockpit? Have you verified they are neutral (or where they should be) when this happens?

Arew•9/19/24, 3:29 AM

I'm actually not sure I guess, another thing to check out

Arew•9/19/24, 3:29 AM

Glad to have some troubleshooting direction

Hiob•9/19/24, 8:05 AM

How do you guys set up your Rhino for MSFS? I'm not talking about TelemFFB-Effects, but the Rhino-VP-Config and MSFS itself. I'm trying to figure out if it is actually better to just setup Spring/Friction/Inertia to feel "good" and then make it sticky. The MSFS-FFB seem to be really lackluster. Or am I missing an important setting inside the Sim? And how do you keep it with the special settings for the controls like "reactivity'" for example. I'm really a total noob when it comes to MSFS......

HHiob How do you guys set up your Rhino for MSFS? I'm not talking about TelemFFB-Effec...

walmis•9/19/24, 8:14 AM

TelemFFB fully simulates the missing dynamic spring forces in MSFS

Wwalmis TelemFFB fully simulates the missing dynamic spring forces in MSFS

Hiob•9/19/24, 8:16 AM

So what is the suggested settings for VP config then? Just leave it on my DCS-"defaults"?

walmis•9/19/24, 8:26 AM

Yeah, defaults should be fine. Since telemFFB takes control of the spring forces.

kaltokri•9/19/24, 8:34 AM

Did someone use already the software "Axis and Ohs" for MSFS together with a Rhino? Does it work together? It looks really good to me.
https://www.axisandohs.com/

HHammer 1-1 did i put that in correctly?

Alighierian•9/19/24, 9:23 AM

You might want to remove your email from the earlier message, unless you have no problems with it being public.

Hi All……need of some help. I just got the DIY motor and controller PCB to fabricate a collective

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