ok this makes a lot more sense. thx. (Still, wish we could have a real bobweight simulation someday

ok this makes a lot more sense. thx.
(Still, wish we could have a real bobweight simulation someday, especially for DIY base with high forces, and just in case the module doesn't support it natively. For example, I've heard the A-10C doesn't have it simulated natively tho I haven't had the chance to try it. Not sure for F-5, P-51 either

一一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden ok this makes a lot more sense. thx. (Still, wish we could have a real bobweigh...

walmis•9/20/24, 6:35 AM

The previous G effect was very close to a real bob weight simulation, but the the latency of the G telemetry caused unwanted oscillation felt in the force output

Wwalmis The previous G effect was very close to a real bob weight simulation, but the th...

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機KyūdenOP•9/20/24, 6:38 AM

ah..that's quite unfortunate!

一一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden ok this makes a lot more sense. thx. (Still, wish we could have a real bobweigh...

Hiob•9/20/24, 6:40 AM

My recommendation for settings if you want to have „more“ force. Put the max G close to what the airframe can actualy achieve (but a little above that). Put the max force to 100% (obviously) and reduce the slider for the stick position to 50%. (applies force faster/earlier)

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機KyūdenOP•9/20/24, 6:40 AM

thx for explaining, everyone

Hiob•9/20/24, 6:40 AM

as a last step you can still adjust the curve I think.

Hiob•9/20/24, 6:41 AM

I think with all the detailed settings, you can tune the effect perfectly to any desired feeling - including the F-4 like bob-weight.

Hiob•9/20/24, 6:42 AM

And of course you can still use the old effect instead if you want to.

HHiob My recommendation for settings if you want to have „more“ force. Put the max G c...

Hiob•9/20/24, 6:44 AM

DON‘T do that for the F-16 though. You will heat saturate the stick in no time…..

(ask me how I know

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機KyūdenOP•9/20/24, 6:46 AM

again appreciate the advice

do you know by any chance whether the G-effect is added on top of the spring force or it override it?

HHiob DON‘T do that for the F-16 though. You will heat saturate the stick in no time…....

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機KyūdenOP•9/20/24, 6:47 AM

haha no, I would only use this effect on something that has bobweight IRL like A-10

Hiob•9/20/24, 6:54 AM

The G-effect is a constant force effect.

Hiob•9/20/24, 6:56 AM

iiirc

VPforceBot•9/20/24, 7:07 AM

:package:

RHINO #0699 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•9/20/24, 7:07 AM

:package:

RHINO #0700 Has Shipped!

一一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden again appreciate the advice🫡 do you know by any chance whether the G-effect is ...

Number481•9/20/24, 11:29 AM

The guys answered your other questions perfectly so I'll just address this easy one

Per the documentation, the new G effect, when enabled, will override the legacy one. It was done this way because 1.) they wouldn't play well together, nor would the enhance or complement each other and 2.) it allows for easy a/b testing by simply enabling/disabling the new effect.

I've got some ideas to potentially improve the legacy effect using some upcoming new firmware features that will allow us to dynamically modify the spring effect that DCS controls (rather than using a separate constant force effect), but there is still the issue of telemetry latency to consider, which walmis pointed out.

NNumber481 To answer your original question. No, TelemFFB does not implement dynamic speed...

Sudeebare•9/20/24, 11:39 AM

So if the "dynamic speed based" aileron stiffness effect is absent or weak for the specific sim/module then the user is simply out of luck?

VPforceBot•9/20/24, 11:57 AM

:package:

RHINO #0701 Has Shipped!

SSudeebare So if the "dynamic speed based" aileron stiffness effect is absent or weak for t...

Number481•9/20/24, 12:10 PM

I wouldn't say out of luck, rather, at the mercy of the sim developer. Maybe that's the same thing.

Theres some upcoming firmware features for the Rino that may help us correct more poor implementations, but no promises there either.

Piola•9/20/24, 12:38 PM

honestly, can anyone here tell me if it's really worth doing an FFB modification to the pedals to play DCS?

Bozo VFA-86•9/20/24, 12:43 PM

I don't know but I would say it's more of a helicopter thing...to use force trim...been flying fixed wing IRL for 57 years...rudder pedals have always been sensitive springy things used at low speed and on the ground...not much feedback...can't speak for their feel in a warbird though. That being said...they'd probably feel really smooth with infinite adjustability.

PPiola honestly, can anyone here tell me if it's really worth doing an FFB modification...

kaltokri•9/20/24, 12:52 PM

I love my RhinoMFG peddels. Propeller aircraft and helicopter have the most benefit. For jets it is mostly nice to have. But the shaking before the stall is also cool in the jets.

PPiola honestly, can anyone here tell me if it's really worth doing an FFB modification...

Hiob•9/20/24, 12:53 PM

That is a very personal matter. The objective advantages are:
- you can adjust spring, inertia, friction and damping endlessly to your liking. Even if you don't use a ffb game
- you can feel FFB-effects like gun fire or stalls in you feet as well as in your hands.
- ypu can have dynamic airstream forces on the rudder if the sim supports it
- you can realisticly emulate helicopter behavior and trim
- you don't get stiction as you woud with a spring and damper system

Hiob•9/20/24, 12:56 PM

FFB stick and pedals together have almost the same effect as a buttkicker in that you feel effects "through the whole airframe"

Hiob•9/20/24, 12:58 PM

- you can enable and disable spring without crawling under the desk....

Piola•9/20/24, 12:58 PM

I was going to get the WW but the temptation of a FFB conversion for the pedals is huge

Hiob•9/20/24, 12:59 PM

If you try it and don't like it, you can use the motor and pcb to build a collective....

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 1:00 PM

Just diy ones, and biggest benefit - switching between modes: heli/jet/prop and adjustability of spring/damper/friction

HHiob If you try it and don't like it, you can use the motor and pcb to build a collec...

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 1:01 PM

What's benefit of dedicated collective if I have throttle? And especially collective with ffb

Hiob•9/20/24, 1:03 PM

Same as above. It's a matter of personal taste and preference. A collective would benefit from the non-stiction nature of a BLDC

Hiob•9/20/24, 1:03 PM

There are no dogmatic reasons to get FFB at all. Just joy.

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 1:04 PM

But ffb stick realy improves quality of life in sim

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 1:05 PM

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 1:05 PM

Finished pedals

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 1:05 PM

Just cable management is mess

Piola•9/20/24, 1:08 PM

Nice job

Mmark3r#17 Click to see attachment

Hiob•9/20/24, 1:10 PM

Are the foot pegs 3D-printed? Don't kick too hard!

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 1:16 PM

They have 12mm steel rod inserts as main structure. Had to increase diameter of pegs to fit my toebrakes used on vkb t-rudder

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 1:20 PM

It's sandwich structure: 12mm steel rod, 3d printed tube with 7mm thick walls (100% infil) and then toebrakes part that took test of time (1year without issue)

Mmark3r#17 What's benefit of dedicated collective if I have throttle? And especially collec...

Alighierian•9/20/24, 2:06 PM

As for collective vs throttle itself (excl. FFB):
A decent throttle can absolutely work, but a collective can be significantly nicer.
Both in terms of immersion, as well as actual use.

Non-extension vs extension joystick is relatively similar in that aspect.
The extra throw can make certain movements easier and more precise.
On the other hand, it will be less quick at going 0 -> 100%, and vice versa.

mark3r#17•9/20/24, 2:42 PM

Using vpc cm3 throttle for everything, it works nice, but as you say, it seems to be more accuracy with collective due its long lever

Kamini•9/20/24, 8:34 PM

Consodering there is a headwind of at least 30-45 knots in Tokyo is this much feedback realistic or is the rhino not compensating enough for the wind?

Kamini•9/20/24, 8:35 PM

It's a cesna 152 though

OZ67•9/20/24, 10:56 PM

In the VP Configurator software , how do I make the blue circle around the joystick indicator dot larger? Cheers.

KKamini Consodering there is a headwind of at least 30-45 knots in Tokyo is this much fe...

Number481•9/21/24, 12:39 AM

Try adding some dampening to see if you can tame it down. I also recommend setting the turbulence setting in MSFS to low... their "realistic" setting is totally over cooked.

OOZ67 In the VP Configurator software , how do I make the blue circle around the joyst...

Number481•9/21/24, 12:40 AM

You cant, but why would you want to? All that circle is is an indication where the current spring center is. What I mean is that the center of that circle is the "spring center". The size of the circle is not indicative of anything.

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機KyūdenOP•9/21/24, 4:28 AM

FFB pedals perhaps can also give you more max force over regular spring pedals, (while maintaining smoothness), which is ideal for realism. And theoretically, it can simulate aircraft that have pedal shaker for stall warning, like the F14

一一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden FFB pedals perhaps can also give you more max force over regular spring pedals, ...

Hiob•9/21/24, 8:08 AM

Depending on which you are building. The crosswind mod isn‘t build for maximum force actually. The force is comparable to its sprung loaded original - at least I recommend to set it up that way. (max theoretical pedal force is around 10kg).

Hiob•9/21/24, 8:09 AM

Other FFB pedals may be much stronger of course.

Hiob•9/21/24, 8:10 AM

I would put it this way. The force of the Crosswind FFB mod fits square and nicely with the Rhino forces.

Hiob•9/21/24, 8:11 AM

ok this makes a lot more sense. thx. (Still, wish we could have a real bobweight simulation someday

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