honestly, can anyone here tell me if it's really worth doing an FFB modification to the pedals to pl
honestly, can anyone here tell me if it's really worth doing an FFB modification to the pedals to play DCS?
BI don't know but I would say it's more of a helicopter thing...to use force trim...been flying fixed wing IRL for 57 years...rudder pedals have always been sensitive springy things used at low speed and on the ground...not much feedback...can't speak for their feel in a warbird though. That being said...they'd probably feel really smooth with infinite adjustability.
KI love my RhinoMFG peddels. Propeller aircraft and helicopter have the most benefit. For jets it is mostly nice to have. But the shaking before the stall is also cool in the jets.
HThat is a very personal matter. The objective advantages are:
- you can adjust spring, inertia, friction and damping endlessly to your liking. Even if you don't use a ffb game
- you can feel FFB-effects like gun fire or stalls in you feet as well as in your hands.
- ypu can have dynamic airstream forces on the rudder if the sim supports it
- you can realisticly emulate helicopter behavior and trim
- you don't get stiction as you woud with a spring and damper system
- you can adjust spring, inertia, friction and damping endlessly to your liking. Even if you don't use a ffb game
- you can feel FFB-effects like gun fire or stalls in you feet as well as in your hands.
- ypu can have dynamic airstream forces on the rudder if the sim supports it
- you can realisticly emulate helicopter behavior and trim
- you don't get stiction as you woud with a spring and damper system
HFFB stick and pedals together have almost the same effect as a buttkicker in that you feel effects "through the whole airframe"
H- you can enable and disable spring without crawling under the desk....
PI was going to get the WW but the temptation of a FFB conversion for the pedals is huge
HIf you try it and don't like it, you can use the motor and pcb to build a collective.... 
MJust diy ones, and biggest benefit - switching between modes: heli/jet/prop and adjustability of spring/damper/friction
MWhat's benefit of dedicated collective if I have throttle? And especially collective with ffb
HSame as above. It's a matter of personal taste and preference. A collective would benefit from the non-stiction nature of a BLDC
HThere are no dogmatic reasons to get FFB at all. Just joy.
MBut ffb stick realy improves quality of life in sim 
M
MFinished pedals
MJust cable management is mess 
PNice job
HAre the foot pegs 3D-printed? Don't kick too hard! 
MThey have 12mm steel rod inserts as main structure. Had to increase diameter of pegs to fit my toebrakes used on vkb t-rudder
MIt's sandwich structure: 12mm steel rod, 3d printed tube with 7mm thick walls (100% infil) and then toebrakes part that took test of time (1year without issue)
AAs for collective vs throttle itself (excl. FFB):
A decent throttle can absolutely work, but a collective can be significantly nicer.
Both in terms of immersion, as well as actual use.
Non-extension vs extension joystick is relatively similar in that aspect.
The extra throw can make certain movements easier and more precise.
On the other hand, it will be less quick at going 0 -> 100%, and vice versa.
A decent throttle can absolutely work, but a collective can be significantly nicer.
Both in terms of immersion, as well as actual use.
Non-extension vs extension joystick is relatively similar in that aspect.
The extra throw can make certain movements easier and more precise.
On the other hand, it will be less quick at going 0 -> 100%, and vice versa.
MUsing vpc cm3 throttle for everything, it works nice, but as you say, it seems to be more accuracy with collective due its long lever
KConsodering there is a headwind of at least 30-45 knots in Tokyo is this much feedback realistic or is the rhino not compensating enough for the wind?
KIt's a cesna 152 though
OIn the VP Configurator software , how do I make the blue circle around the joystick indicator dot larger? Cheers.
NTry adding some dampening to see if you can tame it down. I also recommend setting the turbulence setting in MSFS to low... their "realistic" setting is totally over cooked.
NYou cant, but why would you want to? All that circle is is an indication where the current spring center is. What I mean is that the center of that circle is the "spring center". The size of the circle is not indicative of anything.
一FFB pedals perhaps can also give you more max force over regular spring pedals, (while maintaining smoothness), which is ideal for realism. And theoretically, it can simulate aircraft that have pedal shaker for stall warning, like the F14
HDepending on which you are building. The crosswind mod isn‘t build for maximum force actually. The force is comparable to its sprung loaded original - at least I recommend to set it up that way. (max theoretical pedal force is around 10kg).
HOther FFB pedals may be much stronger of course.
HI would put it this way. The force of the Crosswind FFB mod fits square and nicely with the Rhino forces.
H
BDo FFB Pedals help with feeling sideslip and making coordinated turns in prop planes (i.e. ww2)?
HNo, I don’t think the implementation is sophisticated enough for that. You have increasing resistance with airspeed, that’s about it. At least that is my perception.
BAh thats a bummer. I love how the Rhino has really allowed me to feel the limits of control when flying. Like I rarely ever stall the P51 anymore because the stick is just giving me all the info I need.
Coordinated flight is still one thing though, were I have no idea how I'm doing. I just have to stare at a ball on the screen to get any indication of what's going on.... If FFB pedals could also make me understand by feel what's happening with the aircraft, it'd easily move them up to the next upgrade for my kit.
Coordinated flight is still one thing though, were I have no idea how I'm doing. I just have to stare at a ball on the screen to get any indication of what's going on.... If FFB pedals could also make me understand by feel what's happening with the aircraft, it'd easily move them up to the next upgrade for my kit.
HFull disclosure, I never paid particular attention to slip/skid feeling on the rudder. I only know that rudder ffb is an afterthought at best in DCS.
Beven in most real [light GA props] aircraft you dont feel if you are coordinated in the rudder pedals. you feel most of the coordination in your butt and to a much lesser extent your sight picture. you will feel the effects of torque/p factor/propwash and such in the pedals though.
BAh, well I've got no real flight experience to compare to, nor am I necessarily tying to get the most realistic feel... I've just had my eyes opened to the fact that the Rhino sick can help me understand how the aircraft is performing simply by feel... and sideslip is one aspect where I just can't feel it.
If it is, as you say, felt in the butt, not the pedals, maybe what I need is to invest in some buttkickers?
If it is, as you say, felt in the butt, not the pedals, maybe what I need is to invest in some buttkickers?
Hbetter aim for a motion platform then….
Bbuttkicker isnt the same effect....what you feel is more of a lateral movement...yeah what @Hiob said...motion platform with sway effect
BHaha, alright, motion platform it is 
HButtkicker can only do haptic effects that are more or less unrealistic and just a stand-in to give some kind of feedback. What you need for coordinated flight is acceleration. (6dof would be optimal)
Bhere is a better explanation of what im talking about with regards to how it feels https://youtu.be/zdZ2Rwq86vA?si=hjpb7Go4uiM7ySQ6
YouTubeThe Finer Points
Loss of control is still a leading cause of aircraft accidents. Pilots don't have good stick and rudder skills, as a rule. But what can we do? A lot of us have read about or heard about "seat of your pants" flying skills but don't really know what that means or how to get good at it. What worse? It can be very hard to feel the airplane in many m...
BOh cool, thanks. That was really instructive actually watching his nose move on the hard banks. I might try this exercise, see if I can recreate it, though I don't know if I'll get much out of it tying it in a sim.
Byou can get value out of it even in a sim..your mind does a great job of filling in the blanks.
Bhe also has great videos on all the basics
B@B34ker this exercise can help you https://youtu.be/1_eRGKOuc1k?si=buEK5nnjmrpzn-uc
YouTubeThe Finer Points
How many times have you heard your instructor say, "DON'T use right rudder?" - probably not that often haha. Anyway, here is one time you will hear me say it. Make sure you're not making this very common error. Fly Your Best!
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BThanks, I appreciate the links!
Awhenever there is a question of if FFB can do something, it's important to note the difference between the hardware and the software
Athe hardware can do most things that are related to constant forces or vibrations, but the software might simply not provide such things
Aideally the simulator makers would also provide all the FFB stuff, because they have the best data available for the plane or whatever they just modeled