DevHeads IoT Integration Server•15mo ago

so, barring the wild security issues here, if the connection remains open for like, two days, you co

so, barring the wild security issues here, if the connection remains open for like, two days, you could have people reserve time. basically classic terminal.

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:27 AM

until someone bricks it

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:28 AM

https://github.com/microsoft/live-share/issues/229

GitHub

Increase guest limit · Issue #229 · microsoft/live-share

Is the five guest limit in place for technical reasons, or is it something that can be increased? I tried using it for a class that I'm running, and was disappointed that most people couldn'...

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:28 AM

so seems vs live code is set to 30

Ttechielew so, barring the wild security issues here, if the connection remains open for li...

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:28 AM

exactly

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:28 AM

But this is active participants, not observing participants

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:28 AM

in theory that upper limit is unreachable

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:29 AM

what's the hw target here i can't tell

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:29 AM

it's just vs code

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:29 AM

i thought we were talking about deploying code... at least in your 32-bit savior example

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:30 AM

yes if he can type on my ide and my stm32 is conneceted

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:30 AM

he can deploy

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:31 AM

he has access to the toolbar and the cli sections and thats what he needs to deploy

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:31 AM

Okay, then. What about:

Security issue
Device bricking

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:32 AM

I bet @Ming has some useful experience to contribute here

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:32 AM

Security I suspect its a walled garden thing, the subject machine will just be used to for this purpose and will persist nothing

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:33 AM

Yes, will have to be sandboxed; same thing with the safety of the platform. I just worry we end up partitioning out the utility of it

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:33 AM

Device Bricking might be more difficult maybe we do a userland / kernel type separarion

Ttechielew Yes, will have to be sandboxed; same thing with the safety of the platform. I ju...

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:33 AM

likely not

ZZacckOsiemo Device Bricking might be more difficult maybe we do a userland / kernel type se...

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:34 AM

@Umesh Lokhande do you see this being useful

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:34 AM

because the ideal person wants to try this and if it sort of works they want to go back to their IDE and keep on going

ZZacckOsiemo because the ideal person wants to try this and if it sort of works they want to ...

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:34 AM

except for the fact they probably don't have the hardware... which is the point

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:37 AM

That's true, lots of moving parts. However all this is possible.

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:38 AM

Maybe distributor friends would be willing to lend a discount. Everyone who wanted to do it though would probably have to be a pro and provide info

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:39 AM

but, it could work

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:40 AM

Who would manage this infrastructure on DH side? @ZacckOsiemo? @Phoenix?

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:40 AM

What do we need to support this at high rel

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:44 AM

we could manage it, For high reliability, we’d need a sacalable cloud infrastructure to handle increased traffic during live coding sessions. AWS or DigitalOcean could be used for this.

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:44 AM

Load balancing and redundancy to ensure minimal downtime and consistent performance.

PPhoenix Load balancing and redundancy to ensure minimal downtime and consistent performa...

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:46 AM

What would that do to our costs

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:48 AM

costs will increase based on usage. More users or live events = higher costs for compute power, storage, and bandwidth. Estimation depends on traffic, might see costs start at $100–$500/month for small-scale usage and increase to $1000+ for higher traffic or events.

PPhoenix costs will increase based on usage. More users or live events = higher costs for...

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:48 AM

what VPS are you using?

ZZacckOsiemo what VPS are you using?

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:48 AM

AWS because it offers autoscaling, so you’ll pay more during high traffic, but it’s managed well.

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:49 AM

yeah sry i should have said ~50 concurrent users

PPhoenix AWS because it offers autoscaling, so you’ll pay more during high traffic, but i...

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:49 AM

I would start with a 5 $ linode and go until it explodes

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:49 AM

We dont need autoscaling, it's too ealy

ZZacckOsiemo I would start with a 5 $ linode and go until it explodes

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:49 AM

we don't want stuff to explode mid event

PPhoenix we don't want stuff to explode mid event

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:49 AM

Oh those are the best ones

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:49 AM

very bad ux

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:49 AM

very big news though

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:49 AM

emotional damage

ZZacckOsiemo Oh those are the best ones

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:50 AM

different kind of explosion

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:50 AM

https://tenor.com/bW84e.gif

Tenor

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:50 AM

https://tenor.com/view/run-explosions-gif-13620594

Tenor

Ttechielew https://tenor.com/view/run-explosions-gif-13620594

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:51 AM

^^Umesh during his next Engineering Hour

PPhoenix emotional damage

ZacckOsiemo•10/6/24, 5:51 AM

remember this is just. the IDE and we are the benevolent here, we reserve the right to explode when overloaded

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:52 AM

for ~50 concurrent users we'd still need servers with enough CPU and RAM to handle that
specially if we’re running a web-based IDE
it would be around $100–$300/month on AWS

techielewOP•10/6/24, 5:53 AM

100-300 more than current? i mean we could get that on patreon

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:53 AM

$20–$50/month for load balancing if we want to reduce downtime

Ttechielew 100-300 more than current? i mean we could get that on patreon

Phoenix•10/6/24, 5:53 AM

yes

ZZacckOsiemo we can time slice or do priviledge based, then it becomes a sharing issue.

Ming•10/6/24, 6:27 AM

My generation solved that one too - Mainframes

so, barring the wild security issues here, if the connection remains open for like, two days, you co

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