I went with +/-10 for roll, and +/-14 for pitch, with the equivalent of a 120mm extension. Seems OK

I went with +/-10 for roll, and +/-14 for pitch, with the equivalent of a 120mm extension. Seems OK so far, but I can always print another later. YMMV.

DARRYLOP•10/11/24, 11:53 PM

VKB grip/

WhiteHawk77•10/12/24, 12:17 AM

I know, that’s why it’ll be a 100-120mm extension on the Rhino compared to about 210mm on my Virpil. Or thereabouts.

DDARRYL I went with +/-10 for roll, and +/-14 for pitch, with the equivalent of a 120mm ...

WhiteHawk77•10/12/24, 12:24 AM

Oh excellent, no idea how to use OnShape but I’ll look into it, cheers.

Number481•10/12/24, 12:42 AM

PSA for anyone who joined the FS2024 tech alpha… (with TelemFFB running)..keep a firm grip on your stick at all times

NNumber481 **PSA** for anyone who joined the FS2024 tech alpha… (with TelemFFB running)..ke...

WhiteHawk77•10/12/24, 1:19 AM

Oh, got some glitchyness with the telemetry output? Or just the initial load into a flight when the plane is put onto the ground? It’s different to FS2020?

Number481•10/12/24, 1:33 AM

Things seem to work generally fine so far as the simconnect comms go. It’s more telemetry flowing at unexpected times (like the plane keeps flying in the background..and crashing…after finishing a career mission).

NNumber481 Things seem to work generally fine so far as the simconnect comms go. It’s more...

WhiteHawk77•10/12/24, 2:01 AM

Asobo, gotta love their wonky nonsense.

I have enough of that with Sim Shaker making a big bang through my transducers when going in and out of a flight session. Don’t suppose there’s a way for TelemFFB to sense when the sim is in a flight session and only output when it is to avoid that with the Rhino or do you think it’s not possible in that particularly situation?

Number481•10/12/24, 2:11 AM

I’m sure we’ll figure out how to track the state variables and how they are different than 2020, but I’m not really going to dig into it much until after it is officially released.

WWhiteHawk77 As MajorDad said above, the bot doesn’t show how many in front once you get the ...

MajorDad (Z-5)•10/12/24, 2:40 AM

The bot doesn't show me how many in front of me anymore, but I still haven't received a payment notice or any kind of email.

MMajorDad (Z-5)The bot doesn't show me how many in front of me anymore, but I still haven't rec...

WhiteHawk77•10/12/24, 11:41 AM

Well what I got wasn’t a payment notice, just the order form to pick what you want along with the Rhino, payment notification will come at some point. You should have the order form email soon I would have thought.

AndyHill•10/12/24, 11:55 AM

apparently razer have released a haptic seat

AndyHill•10/12/24, 11:55 AM

I would be very interested in VPForce Tapeworm to buzz my butt, with a cutout for a center stick and all VPForce software

DARRYLOP•10/12/24, 3:33 PM

That would seem to be a natural future add-on feature for VPForce to consider. I already own Simshaker's software that works well with a few bolt-on transducers and an amp. But it would be great to be able to access all the same seat effects via a single piece of software running, instead of two separate ones for stick and seat. I guess it would need additional I/O on the board? IDK.

Daniel V•10/12/24, 3:33 PM

What's the consensus of moza base vs a diy rhino? I'm looking for people that own both

Daniel V•10/12/24, 3:33 PM

I have an (EXTREMELY) sturdy table that I plan to mount things too

Daniel V•10/12/24, 3:34 PM

I'm mainly concerned about software on the moza but not the rhino

Daniel V•10/12/24, 3:35 PM

I have all the hardware minus the motors for the diy rhino I'm just unsure since the moza came out when my hardware arrived

DDARRYL That would seem to be a natural future add-on feature for VPForce to consider. I...

Number481•10/12/24, 4:11 PM

There is a massive difference between a FFB device and a bass shaker devices software. The fact that they take their cues from the same telemetry source is literally the only thing they have in common. One is a library of analog sound wave files that excite a transducer. The other is communicating via API to a USB device to induce various periodic effects that get generated by the motors.

DDaniel V What's the consensus of moza base vs a diy rhino? I'm looking for people that ow...

Hiob•10/12/24, 6:07 PM

There will be very little people if any that have both devices. Personally I built a DIY-Rhino from a Kit and rebuilt it a couple of times for individual mods.
From some Videos online that showed insides of the Moza, I can only come to the conclusion that it is inferior. 1. It has no active cooling and there seem to be no thermal coupling to the metal case. 2. One of the motors isn’t attched to the case but to the gimbal. (Which is a shortcut). So you nove the whole motor around which adds inertia to one of the two axis but not the other…..
3. The software and support will definitely be inferior to what is offered here.
Just my 2C

HHiob There will be very little people if any that have both devices. Personally I bui...

Daniel V•10/12/24, 6:23 PM

I probably will just build a rhino then

DDaniel V I probably will just build a rhino then

Hiob•10/12/24, 6:32 PM

I can’t tell if that is the reasonable thing to do for you. It is pricey and DIY isn’t for everyone. I certainly enjoyed the process and am enjoying the final product. And my judgment of the Moza is strictly subjective opinion based on assumptions.

AndyHill•10/12/24, 6:37 PM

yeah I'd very much like to know how the moza handles heat from prolonged stress, but without testing it's impossible to really say, it might be totally fine indefinitely

AndyHill•10/12/24, 6:38 PM

the inertia of the motor hanging on the gimbal can theoretically be mitigated by clever use of the other motor

HHiob I can’t tell if that is the reasonable thing to do for you. It is pricey and DIY...

Daniel V•10/12/24, 6:47 PM

I already have all the parts

Daniel V•10/12/24, 6:47 PM

Screws

Daniel V•10/12/24, 6:47 PM

It's more of a Matter of finding the time

Daniel V•10/12/24, 6:47 PM

Only thing I don't have is motors and a place to mount lol

Daniel V•10/12/24, 6:48 PM

I could always turn the force down on the moza

AAndyHill the inertia of the motor hanging on the gimbal can theoretically be mitigated by...

Hiob•10/12/24, 6:49 PM

That would eat away some of its capacity. Regarding the heat, when the Moza produces the same amount of torque (which it does by the specs) it will produce roughly the same amount of waste heat, no way around that. Given that it not even has ventilation slots…..

AndyHill•10/12/24, 6:54 PM

I share your assesment, but until someone tests it, it's just guesstimation

AndyHill•10/12/24, 6:54 PM

maybe they use superconducting materials or perhaps it runs on fairy dust and produces no heat

AndyHill•10/12/24, 6:54 PM

or does fairy dust produce heat

AndyHill•10/12/24, 6:55 PM

and yes compensating for the motor's inertia takes some power, but again the question is how much and of how much

HHiob That would eat away some of its capacity. Regarding the heat, when the Moza prod...

Daniel V•10/12/24, 7:36 PM

In theory couldn't I just turn the force down to half?

DDaniel V In theory couldn't I just turn the force down to half?

Hiob•10/12/24, 7:41 PM

Yeah, less power less heat, but that would contradict its purpose wouldn’t it?

The problem with the Moza is that (so far) all „tests“ seem to be sponsored. At least I haven’t seen an independent (and competent) test yet.

AndyHill•10/12/24, 7:42 PM

sponsor me a moza base and I'll do a sponsored test

AAndyHill sponsor me a moza base and I'll do a sponsored test

Hiob•10/12/24, 7:46 PM

Yeah, me too!

superbird1011•10/12/24, 9:39 PM

I have an issue with the VPForce in MSFS. It feels like the FFB is inverted? You need alot of power to overcome the centre but not alot of force as you put more input in so I end up having hyper unstable planes that only like full ffb inputs.

Warwolf09•10/13/24, 12:13 AM

Hello guys! Just wondering is it possible to use the rhino base as a collective for helis?

Bob Bushman•10/13/24, 12:50 AM

You can diy an actual collective with a single motor kit.

Warwolf09•10/13/24, 1:10 AM

@Bob Bushman i already have the base so i was thiunking on using that. just wondering what settings i need to setup for the autopilot be able to move the collective axis

Bob Bushman•10/13/24, 1:12 AM

That would require the sim to have built in ffb for collective and none do.

WWarwolf09 @Bob Bushman i already have the base so i was thiunking on using that. just wond...

Col. Sanders•10/13/24, 1:57 AM

Why would you use the rhino as a collective and not the cyclic?

Bob Bushman•10/13/24, 2:23 AM

Only good reason i can think of is he has two

Warwolf09•10/13/24, 2:45 AM

I do hahaha

Warwolf09•10/13/24, 3:04 AM

@Bob Bushman looks like its possible with TelemFFB and the. H145(which is what i fly)

Number481•10/13/24, 3:14 AM

Give it a different PID. Add it to TelemFFB as a collective. It will do collective things on the y axis.

NNumber481 Give it a different PID. Add it to TelemFFB as a collective. It will do collect...

Warwolf09•10/13/24, 3:17 AM

How do i add it to TelemFFB as a collective?

Number481•10/13/24, 3:23 AM

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y/mobilebasic#h.vq9olbg3m4ll

Google Docs

VPforce Rhino Manual

VPforce RHINO FFB User Manual Version 0.81 (WIP) Table of Contents 1. Welcome 1 2. Getting Started 3 2.1. Technical Specifications 4 2.2. Physical Setup 5 2.2.1. The VKB Adapter 6 2.2.2. The WinWing Adapter 6 2.2.3. The RHINO Throw Limiter Adapters 7 2.3. Initial Connection and Updating ...

NNumber481 Give it a different PID. Add it to TelemFFB as a collective. It will do collect...

Mike T•10/13/24, 4:49 AM

I too am interested in FFB collective…….using a VPF motor on a custom built collective to use with the X-Trident’s A109SP …..why?…..because in a 4-axis AFCS the collective with trim feel engaged will actually respond power changes. If you press the trim feel trigger underneath the collective it will disengage the trim feel and allow manual control…….i feel that the VPF motor would be perfect to make such a realistic collective. But not sure if it can…..??

I went with +/-10 for roll, and +/-14 for pitch, with the equivalent of a 120mm extension. Seems OK

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