Another plus one for a Bambu Labs, just got a P1S myself, but I hear the A1 is good too. And TheAma

Another plus one for a Bambu Labs, just got a P1S myself, but I hear the A1 is good too.

And TheAmazingGreat, all I keep seeing is people complaining about Ender 3’s online, and basically now they’ve moved to a Bambu Labs printer they can finally start getting over the PTSD the Ender 3 gave them and now spend more time printing than tinkering and fixing stuff with the printer.

VPforceBot•10/18/24, 11:36 AM

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RHINO #0740 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•10/18/24, 11:36 AM

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RHINO #0741 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•10/18/24, 11:41 AM

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RHINO #0742 Has Shipped!

WWhiteHawk77 Another plus one for a Bambu Labs, just got a P1S myself, but I hear the A1 is g...

TheAmazinGreat•10/18/24, 11:43 AM

“I’m looking for my first car, I don’t have a big budget.”

“Bro buy a Ferrari, it’s so nice.”

TTheAmazinGreat “I’m looking for my first car, I don’t have a big budget.” “Bro buy a Ferrari, ...

WhiteHawk77OP•10/18/24, 11:49 AM

Someone already mentioned the A1 mini, I think that’s made by Bambu Labs.

Hiob•10/18/24, 12:34 PM

There is nothing per se wrong with an Ender 3. It is just not state of the art anymore. The manual bed leveling alone is a show-stopper today (before I got a Prusa MK4 for the office and later an A1 mini for private, I used an Ender 3 for a couple of years).
If we were talking a big gap in money for a modern printer - of course an Ender is fine. You will get your stuff printed. Very slow, and not dimensionally perfect but still.....
....but as I said - a brand new A1 mini is just 50,- bucks over the budget given by @TeufelHunden . If that's a hard limit - well I would look for a used A1-mini. But honestly it would be wiser to find the 50,- bucks somewhere.

Hiob•10/18/24, 12:36 PM

Of course an A1 mini comes with one shortcoming - It has only 180 bx 180 build plate. But I can count on one hand the times I needed more than that in the past couple years.

TTheAmazinGreat “I’m looking for my first car, I don’t have a big budget.” “Bro buy a Ferrari, ...

Hiob•10/18/24, 12:38 PM

The cheaper bambu options are for sure close to a ferrari in speed, but certainly not in price. So, no..... not a valid point.

Fierce_Fire•10/18/24, 12:41 PM

The reason people advocate for bambu over ender is that its a lot less hassle. Sure, you can print decent things with a 150 dollar printer, but those will take time to set up and dial in. A bambulab(there are others but its just the best) is well tuned out of the box and you can instead focus on printing.

Fierce_Fire•10/18/24, 12:43 PM

It'd make the comparison between a beaten up older car and a new cheap one. Sure, you might be able to get the first car for cheaper, but itll require a lot more maintenance than if you save up for a brand new one.

Fierce_Fire•10/18/24, 12:43 PM

And in this case you also get much better performance out of the newer model

TTeufelHunden And would it be junk?

Fierce_Fire•10/18/24, 12:50 PM

So, to answer the question, yes, an ender 3 would likely be possible for that price, and itll print what you want it to. Just know that itll take time to set up and dimensional accuracy and speed will be worse than the bambu a1 mini

Fierce_Fire•10/18/24, 12:50 PM

Which isnt to say that you cannot print anything well on it, but the reason people recommend saving for bambu is that its just that much better

WWhiteHawk77 Someone already mentioned the A1 mini, I think that’s made by Bambu Labs. 🙄

TheAmazinGreat•10/18/24, 1:03 PM

He asked for under $150 and no one, including me with the Ender3 suggestion, has given a recommendation that fits his criteria.

TheAmazinGreat•10/18/24, 1:04 PM

There are also plenty of problematic things about the closed Bambu ecosystem too.

TTheAmazinGreat He asked for under $150 and no one, including me with the Ender3 suggestion, has...

Hiob•10/18/24, 1:12 PM

Sure. The point is you can get something really good for 200,-. Recommending something far inferior for 150,- would simply be bad advice.
Sometimes the best advise is: Don't do it, save some more.
You can have a different opinion, thats fine, But is seems a broad consensus.

Hiob•10/18/24, 1:13 PM

Also @TeufelHunden is free to discard the advise if he doesn't find it helpful....

TheAmazinGreat•10/18/24, 1:30 PM

Far inferior is subjective, that’s my point and I’m sticking to it. I defend Ender 3 because I’ve spent the time to dial it in and it works great. Bambu user defend their printers because they spent the money and it works great.

TheAmazinGreat•10/18/24, 1:30 PM

Both work great, but some have abundance of time, some have abundance of money. Rare that anyone has both these days.

Col. Sanders•10/18/24, 1:56 PM

I have no horse in the race, as I don't 3d print. But as a neutral 3rd party you seem to be the only one defending something because it's what you purchased. The others are giving valid advice. Saving up another $50 seems 100% the right call. Although at the budget amount, $50 is a large percentile increase, it should be doable for any that can afford to buy or build a rhino.

TheAmazinGreat•10/18/24, 2:06 PM

Everyone is defending based on what they purchased. In my opinion negative points brought up about Ender 3 are invalid but that’s because I have experience that says otherwise.

TheAmazinGreat•10/18/24, 2:08 PM

My Ender 3 experience is that I get as good as quality prints as Bambu and I saved money.

tanr•10/18/24, 2:29 PM

Most new users are going to waste a bit of material learning a new printer. One more cost to consider as part of this.

TTheAmazinGreat Far inferior is subjective, that’s my point and I’m sticking to it. I defend End...

Arno•10/18/24, 3:40 PM

Coming from years with an Ender, I am not looking to bash it. But especially if you are new to 3D printing, just so much time goes into learning how to set up things right. And when you want to go to PETG, even with experience you end up with misprints regularly, you spend time troubleshooting. And in the end you will spend money on upgrades. Just the money I spent to make it more quiet. $150 is a tiny budget to spend on a printer, so you have to make concessions somewhere. I think spending a bit more on a Bambu will save loads of time and frustration.

TonyM•10/18/24, 4:30 PM

So a Bambu is like a Prusa in terms of quality and maintenance but cheaper, correct?
(using a Prusa MK3S+ the last 2.5 years)

Sudeebare•10/18/24, 4:51 PM

This talk is all about hardware, but how does one learn what is needed to use the hardware. For instance, if I want to find and use files for belt covers for the Rhino's exposed belts, what is the workflow?

Flo-Soft•10/18/24, 5:15 PM

Basically a bunch of reading, watching youtube videos and doing a lot of trail and error...

Simplified workflow:
1. Setup printer for the desired filament type (normally there are instructions doing some test prints to decide what parameters to use for temperature, flow rate...). This has to be done once and can be used for further printing
2. Get a description file for the object to be printed. This is normally an STL file. You can create such a file by using CAD software by yourself (FreeCAD, Fusion 360,...) or somebody else already provides this file.
3. You need to define printing parameters for the object like how strong are bottom, top and walls, percentage of infill,... to define how strong the object will be. If somebody alread provided the STL files there are normally recommendations which settings to use.
4. Translation of the STL file to printer specific GCode. This can be done by a program called Slicer. There are several available, normally there is one favourite for each printer brand to be used (Bambu/Orca Slicer, Ultimaker Cura...). In the Slicer you import the STL file, place it on the (virtual) printer plate (orientation can be important), set the parameters defined in step 3 and slice the project. The resulting GCode can be sent to the printer (newer ones using WLAN, older ones USB stick or memory card).
5. Start printing, then wait and hope everything is running smooth...

TTonyM So a Bambu is like a Prusa in terms of quality and maintenance but cheaper, corr...

Flo-Soft•10/18/24, 5:27 PM

I think I can agree to that. Bambu Lab printers were originally in almost the same price range as Prusa, but this summer they celebrated some anniversary and did a massive price reduction (maybe there are also some new models in the pipeline). There is an intersting video of a printer farm owner comparing Prusa and Bambu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Esrxt7GII

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TTheAmazinGreat Everyone is defending based on what they purchased. In my opinion negative point...

Hiob•10/18/24, 6:53 PM

As I said, I‘m a former Ender 3 user as well. And I agree that you can achieve good results with it, but it ain‘t easy. And you can’t tune away the slowness. The tech has simply advanced and the ender isn’t up to date anymore.

CBrunschen•10/18/24, 6:56 PM

I think as someone has summarized it: your choice of 3d printer depends on whether you're interested in 3d printing or 3d printering - tinkering with 3d printers, getting them set up just so, etc.
Something like an Ender 3 can definitely be tuned to create great prints, but it may require a fair bit of fine tuning, possibly making some modifications to it, etc. If you're happy to spend time and effort learning and doing all those things, that's a perfectly fine choice.

TTeufelHunden Hello 3d printers Whats the best budget 3d printer I can get I mean dirt cheap? ...

DARRYL•10/18/24, 7:10 PM

I'll just add that you should make sure you get one big enough to print what you want to build. The Proto DIY Rhino for example, needs at least 190mm I believe. Check the parts and specs yourself first.

SSudeebare This talk is all about hardware, but how does one learn what is needed to use th...

WhiteHawk77OP•10/18/24, 7:57 PM

I just so happen to be printing those tonight on my P1S as my Rhino is coming next week, and I’m not a expert as I’ve only just got it, but as these are just covers and don’t need to be very strong there’s not a lot to think about for them at least.

So, double click the .stl file, it opens in the slicer program, which I’m just using Bambu Labs own Bambu Studio, I right click the model and change which filament I want to use if it’s not the default as I have four filaments that can be automatically loaded into the printer.

Again, doesn’t need to be strong so I’ve just left most of the settings default including the amount of infill to 15%. The only thing I did was lower the speeds of the different parts that make up the build as it really doesn’t add much time, about 20 minutes in this case.

Then as these have a few overhangs I’ve switched on the supports function and made sure the filament used for the supports is the same as I’m using for the model as I have plenty of the black PLA+ filament, and as I’ve still got some of the Support PLA filament the printer comes with for the bit of the supports that actually touches the model that breaks away a bit more cleanly when the print is finished I make sure that is selected for that part.

SSudeebare This talk is all about hardware, but how does one learn what is needed to use th...

WhiteHawk77OP•10/18/24, 7:57 PM

Then I press on the Preview tab, make sure it creates the G-code without errors or any issues, and then press on Print Plate and off it goes, and so far all has been good, I’ve printed over 20 items in the last 9 days including the main pulley for the Virpil rudder pedals FFB mod earlier today by Number481, I sent it to print, went to work (yes there was someone in the house just in case) and it had finished the same time I finished work, no hassle.

All in all there’s a bit to learn, but the reason I went with a Bambu Labs printer is there’s supposed to be less fussing around getting prints to work well, and that’s what I’ve seen many people say including a lot of people coming from Ender 3’s and though I’m only going by what they have said as I have not used that printer myself, I feel I understand what they mean already.

Let’s make one thing clear though, mainstream home 3D printing is still in its infancy, and even years from now 3D printing will still involve some level of tinkering and maintenance.

HHiob As I said, I‘m a former Ender 3 user as well. And I agree that you can achieve g...

TheAmazinGreat•10/18/24, 8:55 PM

Don’t get me wrong, Bambu is a nicer machine, but at 2-4x the cost I would expect it to be. But I also think that everything that makes it better is a luxury, speed included. If you can live without the luxuries and need to save money, Ender is great.

Sudeebare•10/18/24, 8:57 PM

As an interim alternative are there any 3D printing services that could be recommended for someone located in the western USA?

SSudeebare As an interim alternative are there any 3D printing services that could be recom...

Flo-Soft•10/18/24, 10:08 PM

I'm from Europe, so I can't help with that. But from my experience the 3D printing services are quite expensive, so after maybe 15 or 20 ordered parts (of course depending on size and material) you spent already the money for a small 3D printer.

Reed•10/18/24, 11:24 PM

Bambu is Hank g sale starting
Monday. I’m going full in x1c

FFlo-Soft I'm from Europe, so I can't help with that. But from my experience the 3D printi...

WhiteHawk77OP•10/19/24, 12:18 AM

Yeah, on that note those Rhino pulley covers, I’ve done one now, half way through the second one, looks like it’ll cost me less than two quid in filament I think, whereas to buy them from QR4Rigs it’s £32.25 with delivery in the UK.

RReed Bambu is Hank g sale starting Monday. I’m going full in x1c

Flo-Soft•10/19/24, 12:26 AM

Looks like a good time to buy! What are your reasons going with the X1C instead of the P1S?

WWhiteHawk77 Yeah, on that note those Rhino pulley covers, I’ve done one now, half way throug...

Flo-Soft•10/19/24, 12:30 AM

QR4Rigs has really great products, but after equiping my hole rig with quick releases I ended up at £600 - without taxes and shipping to EU... But after some hours work in FreeCAD I have now DIY quick releases, costs including the trail and error filament maybe 80 EUR.

FFlo-Soft QR4Rigs has really great products, but after equiping my hole rig with quick rel...

j9murphy•10/19/24, 1:04 AM

Care to share your designs?

TTheAmazinGreat Don’t get me wrong, Bambu is a nicer machine, but at 2-4x the cost I would expec...

Hiob•10/19/24, 7:18 AM

But you did pick up, that I was specifically speaking about the A1 mini? Nothing else. That goes for 199,-

Hiob•10/19/24, 7:20 AM

Of course you can’t print very big parts (>180mm) with it. That’s the downside.

Jj9murphy Care to share your designs? 🙂

Flo-Soft•10/19/24, 7:38 AM

I would love to, but as the design is "heavily inspired" by the QR4Rigs products I have strong legal concerns to make it public... Sorry!

FFlo-Soft I would love to, but as the design is "heavily inspired" by the QR4Rigs products...

RP9•10/19/24, 9:02 AM

But you designed your qr-system from scratch, didn't you? So you did not copy any plans or whatsoever. I see no problem designing a competitive product and sharing it - otherwise we would have lots of monopolies out there

RP9•10/19/24, 9:02 AM

(by the way, I would also be interested

)

RRP9 (by the way, I would also be interested 😅)

Flo-Soft•10/19/24, 10:31 AM

The CAD design is from scratch, but the shape and size of all parts is the same as theirs - was enough work to do that so I didn't want to create a new design just to find out it's not working for some reason. The Ultra parts are 10h prints so you don't want to go for a lot of iterations. So maybe it's a grey zone, but to be honest I don't wanna find that out... Another thing is that just providing STL files will not work as the gap between the brackets and sliding parts depends on the 3D printer - first tests on a FLSUN V400 needed a gap around 0.15mm, with the Bambu Lab P1S I am using now the gap is 0.04mm (!) - out of the box that kind of precision is really impressive!

FFlo-Soft Looks like a good time to buy! What are your reasons going with the X1C instead ...

Reed•10/20/24, 1:44 AM

It’s onsale and in my budget lol. Like the extra features too. Was looking at the qidi plus 4 also.

Reed•10/20/24, 1:46 AM

I’m coming from an Ender 3 pro. Getting into abs and asa for medical training products that need to be outdoor and stand up to some stress. Will probably proof everything in pla and petg first.

Reed•10/20/24, 1:47 AM

Was thinking about the ams too but not sure I’ll use it as nothing I can think of would need more than one filament unless I want to use a different filament as a support or layer for ease of final completion

Another plus one for a Bambu Labs, just got a P1S myself, but I hear the A1 is good too. And TheAma

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