Hey guys I'm having some issues with the config for the F4. The stick's neutral postion requires a t

Hey guys I'm having some issues with the config for the F4. The stick's neutral postion requires a ton of nose down to maintain level flight in cruise. The trim seems to do nothing. Any ideas?

CCoolHand Hey guys I'm having some issues with the config for the F4. The stick's neutral ...

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:17 PM

What do you mean? The trimmed stick position in level flight is forward from center - that is correct. The faster the more it needs to be trimmed forward (down).

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:17 PM

No the trim does nothing

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:17 PM

doesn't move the stick at all

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:18 PM

Are you talking about the VP hardware trim or the in game trim?

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:18 PM

trim in game

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:18 PM

I suppose, honestly I'm not sure which

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:18 PM

Just got this thing. I'm pretty new to all of this

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:18 PM

No problem.

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:19 PM

Some things to check
-make sure ffb is actually activated in the game settings

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:19 PM

it is, I feel the rumble and what not

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:19 PM

check the VP config if you have accidentally checked the trim override

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:20 PM

check if you actually correctly bound the trim hat switch (in game)

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:20 PM

Are you using TelemFFB?

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:21 PM

Trim works, I can see it moving on the hat. Not using telemffb

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:21 PM

hmmm

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:22 PM

the physical stick doesn’t move though?

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:22 PM

no, not with the F4

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:22 PM

the helicopters I can set it, and it stays there

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:24 PM

But you do know that trim in the F4 works totally different from helicopters? Sorry for asking, just to make sure

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:24 PM

yes

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:25 PM

It seems the base is working just fine, but the F4 Y axis is all messed up

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:25 PM

any curves or saturation on the axis in DCS?

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:25 PM

It might be worth mentioning I'm using a 200mm extension

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:25 PM

Yeah, me too.

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:26 PM

Double bindings?

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:26 PM

on axis‘ I mean?

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:26 PM

let me check

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:28 PM

no double bindings

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:28 PM

and no curves?

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:28 PM

I reset the config to default, seems to fix the trim issue, but still the in level flight the stick is very far forward

CCoolHand I reset the config to default, seems to fix the trim issue, but still the in lev...

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:29 PM

That is normal and how it is supposed to be

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:29 PM

saturation is 100

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:30 PM

Last thing is to check the special options for the Phantom, beyond that I‘m out of ideas right now, sorry.

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:31 PM

Thats okay, thanks so much for your help. Which options should I have checked in the special options?

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:34 PM

Sorry can’t tell from the top of my head. Just see if anything seems off.

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:35 PM

Cool, thanks again. Really appreciate it

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:36 PM

If you really can’t adjust to the forward position of the stick in cruise flight (it is correct though), you could make a Phantom specific VP config where you manually correct the calibration values so the the „middle“ position is more toward you.

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:38 PM

With telemFFB you can load specific Vp configs automatically with each module. I strongly recommend to use it with the Rhino. It is easily 50% of the experience.

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 9:38 PM

sweet, I'll check it out

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:38 PM

Lots of support for it here in the discord as well. „You‘ll never walk alone“…

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:39 PM

I need to go to bed…..

Hiob•10/22/24, 9:39 PM

gn8

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 10:02 PM

night!

CoolHandOP•10/22/24, 10:02 PM

Is there a youtube video that walks people through this?"

EnvyC•10/23/24, 12:59 AM

First timer too, just doing pedals and no stick. What I noticed is that the outer circle here indicating the center position in the F4 was further up the Y axis rather than centered. As soon as I jumped into another plane, it came back to center.

Probably to do on HB's side given that they use a different technique to all the other modules in the game to determine stick position. I'm yet to look through the special options menu.

Hiob•10/23/24, 8:45 AM

@CoolHand @EnvyC When I'm home tonight I will have a look into the phantom and how it shows in VP config. It's hard to recall from memory.....

Hiob•10/23/24, 8:46 AM

I just can say that in many non-fly-by-wire Aircraft it is absolutely normal that the stick is trimmed forward in level flight. The faster you go the further it moves away from you.

EnvyC•10/23/24, 8:50 AM

Yeah it's not that, trim is full nose down and it'll still pitch up

EEnvyC Yeah it's not that, trim is full nose down and it'll still pitch up

Hiob•10/23/24, 9:44 AM

That's definitely not correct then. Does the trim really work? Is the controls overlay showing the trimmed position moved forward?

EnvyC•10/23/24, 9:45 AM

Trim works, its just ineffective compared to the stick movement

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