Ah, I get it, calibration wouldn't do anything, I'm not sure where but something might be on dcs sid

Ah, I get it, calibration wouldn't do anything, I'm not sure where but something might be on dcs side. I'll try again and see what dcs logs I get. I guess something is failing to initialize upon the launch of the dcs. On the other hand, I have configurator opened while the dcs is not yet launched, after restarting the computer/cycle power for the FFB boards. I tried resetting all effect within the TelemFFB (even I feel this is just for TelemFFB instance). The virtual center somehow stays near full forward. It may get reset upon receiving correct command from the dcs. So far the debug tab tells 'Reset' and 'FFB_RemoveAllEffects' upon launching the dcs.

RR7-Cedar Ah, I get it, calibration wouldn't do anything, I'm not sure where but something...

walmis•10/30/24, 1:46 PM

Refer to the loaded effects in the Debug to shed light of what's going on. DCS creates it's own spring effect and adjusts the the center point, spring stiffness (coefficient) etc

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 1:47 PM

Thanks! I'm checking it now!

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 1:52 PM

Center is -3211, not sure why this is so off from the center value...is saturation have something to do with this?

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 1:52 PM

I've never configured saturation in dcs axis settings but checking it just in case.

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 1:55 PM

So far saturation is 100 which I think it's default, not curves are applied.

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 2:02 PM

I see coefficient is changing from 4055 to 41 when the trim release is pressed, then goes back to 4055 when I let the button go.

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 2:09 PM

Other than virtual center is way off to forward, I think I've seen similar issue before, it's like the force feedback is working only for TelemFFB generated part. I think only thing I had to was restarting the dcs, but it doesn't get it fixed this time.

walmis•10/30/24, 2:22 PM

DCS is sending this value, telemFFB is not controlling spring center for DCS. Which aircraft are you testing?

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 2:45 PM

I was testing on Mi-8, I tried another restart and the dcs is applying update now....65GB download,

walmis•10/30/24, 2:50 PM

Also make sure hardware force trim is not enabled for DCS to correctly control trim

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 2:54 PM

Thanks, checked and it's "Unchecked"!

RR7-Cedar Thanks, checked and it's "Unchecked"!

TheAmazinGreat•10/30/24, 2:55 PM

Try the reset trim button in game. If you are launching on an air start especially the mission can have predefined trim point.

walmis•10/30/24, 2:56 PM

Also In game ctrl-enterctrl-enter display shows the trim diamond of where the stick should be trimmed

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 3:00 PM

The control appear to be reflecting the stick position, which means the way forward virtual center is letting aircraft going into steep dive. I have to either holding the stick fighting against the spring, or keep pressing the trim release, for the level flight. The update seems to be done, I'm trying again...

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 3:04 PM

I see the control diamond, but I don't see the trim center diamond. There should be both isn't it?

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 3:05 PM

I'm trying other helicopters...

TheAmazinGreat•10/30/24, 3:08 PM

In Ctrl+Enter at least on the hind, I only see one diamond and it matches the virtual (dcs commanded) center.

TheAmazinGreat•10/30/24, 3:09 PM

In the Mi-24. As I move the stick, the diamond moves. When I press and release trim button the diamond stays and stick stays in that position.

RR7-Cedar I'm trying other helicopters...

TheAmazinGreat•10/30/24, 3:09 PM

Make sure you don’t have any curves or saturation applied in DCS also.

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 3:15 PM

Thanks, no curves not saturations are applied. I see the trim button on the Mi-24 and Ks-50III are getting registered(As I see the button in game are being pressed), but actual trim release is not happening. Something must have got messed up. I'm checking the controls now and may be running integrity check.

R7-CedarOP•10/30/24, 3:29 PM

I cleared trim release button assignment and re-opened the control dialog, then assigned the button back on. The trim release button is not sounding on the Mi-24. Running the integrity check but I've ran out of time for today. Thank you Walmis and TheAmasinGreat, I'll come back tomorow!

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 1:23 PM

Good evening, the dcs integrity check has passed. Windows SFC didn't find any issue for integrity neither. I was able to bring the joystick virtual center back to center, by using hardware trim, and I disabled the hardware trim then launched the dcs, the virtual center stays at center of the grid and never moves. I found that the Center value for the joystick stays at 0 all the time, while Coefficient changes from 4055 to 41, upon pressing the trim release in dcs. The center value for the Pedal is showing position value and changes as I move the rudder, so I assume the joystick value is somehow not getting to the application, despite I can move in-game joystick by moving the physical joystick. I see the issue is the same across multiple helicopters I tried, Mi-8, Mi-24, Ka-50III and AH-64. I double checked the vjoy is disabled and restarted and checked again. I'm trying to see where the problem is. May be the dcs is not generating some part of FFB command. I checked the dcs.log again, so far I don't see any errors regarding the FFB. I flew Yak-52 and F-4E, the dcs generated effect doesn't seem to be applying to the joystick. Any ideas where to check?

walmis•10/31/24, 1:25 PM

Can you show your configuration?

walmis•10/31/24, 1:26 PM

notably the effects tab

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 1:35 PM

Hello Walmis, here it is, thanks,

walmis•10/31/24, 1:37 PM

Can you try testing with pedals disconnected?

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 1:38 PM

Got it, working on it now...

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 1:44 PM

I disconnected the pedal, launched the dcs and hopped on Mi-8, it's still doing the same, letting the trim release button go and stick goes back to center instead of staying where it's left.

walmis•10/31/24, 1:45 PM

Here's how it should work

walmis•10/31/24, 1:46 PM

Trimmer should be set to instant trim

walmis•10/31/24, 1:47 PM

FFB enabled

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 1:48 PM

Ah, I see the center value behaving the same as the pedal. I'll check the special tab in the dcs again...

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 1:59 PM

Stick trimmer sat to the Instant Trim, I tried to change to something else, and re-changed it back but so far no joy. I confirmed the Force Feedback is being checked. I unchecked and restarted the dcs, then check back on and restarted, still not working.

walmis•10/31/24, 2:09 PM

Here, you can try doing an independent test using fedit. Create a spring effect and try to change the CP offset as in the example vid

fedit.exe164.77KB

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:11 PM

Thanks! testing it now!

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:23 PM

I hit banner and opened properties, pressed 'Play' button, "ID:5 Spring (100%)" shows up on Loaded effects: pane, however, dragging the slider doesn't move the pointer on the grid.

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:23 PM

Tried on both Spring Axis 0 and Spring Axis 1.

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:25 PM

The "ID:5 Spring(100%)" grays out shortly after I stopped moving the slider.

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:28 PM

Oh, I see some errors,

walmis•10/31/24, 2:28 PM

Oh interesting, what is your usb setup ?

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:29 PM

usb setup? like other devices connected?

walmis•10/31/24, 2:30 PM

Like the topology - HUB, direct connection, USB PCIe card or MoBo direct etc

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:34 PM

I have at least one HUB(By Sabrent) in between the Joystick and computer. I'm checking the cable nest behind the monitor now...

walmis•10/31/24, 2:37 PM

You can try a direct connection to the computer, see if it helps

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:41 PM

I'm kinda in fear of it solves the issue since you saved me in same exact way last time...it would be embarrassing I haven't try it before I ask...working on it now...

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:45 PM

Oh it's following my dragging the slider now, I'm so glad and feel dumb same time. Launching the dcs now to see...

Wwalmis Here, you can try doing an independent test using fedit. Create a spring effect ...

kaltokri•10/31/24, 2:56 PM

What is fedit.exe good for?

R7-CedarOP•10/31/24, 2:57 PM

The FFB is back on the dcs now, I plugged the pedal back on. Now both the VP-FFB boards are directly plugged into the computer, not via USB HUB. Thank you again Walmis, I'll forcus on USB moving forward. I really appreciate!!!

Kkaltokri What is fedit.exe good for?

walmis•10/31/24, 3:17 PM

Testing, mostly

Nozzledude•10/31/24, 5:12 PM

Uh... I get this from the que bot this morning:

Ah, I get it, calibration wouldn't do anything, I'm not sure where but something might be on dcs sid

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