@walmis Hardware Trim behavior: Hey Walmis, I noticed that after the latest Firmware update, a trimm

@walmis Hardware Trim behavior:
Hey Walmis, I noticed that after the latest Firmware update, a trimmed position will be reset to the neutral point when a) the trim option is disabled or b) a profile without trim enabled is loaded. Which is an improvement and I assume is intentional.
However - when you then enable the trim feature again OR load a profile with trim enabled, it will instantly return to the last trimmed position.
I don't know if that is intentional, but I don't think, that is desirable behavior. I think once reset, the trim position should stay neutral until intentionally trimmed again. (also that suggests, that the trimmed position stay stored somewhere in the firmware even if a different config is loaded - which could cause unforeseen trouble I guess?!)

HiobOP•11/23/24, 1:39 PM

Imagine flying a helicopter and being in some weird trimmed position and than crashing, flying fixed wing aftre that and then hop in a different helicopter again, being totally surprised by a weirdly trimmed cyclic.

HHiob @walmis Hardware Trim behavior: Hey Walmis, I noticed that after the latest Firm...

walmis•11/23/24, 1:44 PM

Hey, good point, I'll address this

Stryker990•11/23/24, 2:29 PM

@walmis wait you actually added the #41 and #42 virtual buttons on the WinWing F-16EX grip already? :hkYAY: couldnt find any mention in the firmware changelog and i was about to write a reminder but checked if you stealthadded them and turns out you did thx

SStryker990 @walmis wait you actually added the #41 and #42 virtual buttons on the WinWing F...

walmis•11/23/24, 2:36 PM

Probably forgot to mention it, lots of changes in v 17

MickX•11/23/24, 8:36 PM

Hi all I’ve got the monster Rhino up and running

does anyone have some baseline settings I could start with for someone playing 99% warbirds (il2 & dcs)

DuraCell•11/23/24, 9:38 PM

I am trying to get hardware force trim to work in MFS 2024 is that a known issue or only for me, hardware force trim works in helis in mfs 2020 just tested it now .

sith1144•11/23/24, 9:56 PM

seeems like I cant get my X-axis centered? anyone have a suggestion for which settings to look for first? im flying the F-4 in DCS and itll be off to the right slightly, and trim doesnt seem to help

MMickX Hi all I’ve got the monster Rhino up and running 🎉 does anyone have some baseli...

HiobOP•11/23/24, 10:25 PM

I would recommend to setup your own config. It's very much a matter of your personal setup (stick extension for example) and taste. From my experience you don't really need a different config for each aircraft. Just one default per class (Warbirds, Jets, Helicopters).

I would recommend to start by activating "spring", "inertia", "friction" and "damping" in the effects tab and set all to 100%.

Then in the Settings tab, put Master Gain to 100%, Periodic Effects to 50%, Constant Force to 100%.

Then put "Spring" to 0% and start playing with Inertia, Damping and Friction until the Stick feels "right" to you (giving some feeling of hydraulics/cables/pulley some friction and inertia etc.) That part is really a matter of taste.

When this is all dialed in, increase Spring until you find a level of force that you like.

Et Voila - your first "base" config is done. You con build upon and fine tune from here

HiobOP•11/23/24, 10:25 PM

(Obviously do a calibration first)

HHiob I would recommend to setup your own config. It's very much a matter of your pers...

MickX•11/23/24, 10:30 PM

Beauty! Cheers mate

HHiob I would recommend to setup your own config. It's very much a matter of your pers...

sith1144•11/23/24, 10:39 PM

ah this probably answers my questions too! thanks. ill try that

Spitfire ZX•11/24/24, 2:31 AM

if I'm ordering a throw limiter and want asymmetric pitch limits, but do not know exactly which way I want to orient the base yet, is it easy to swap that around?

Reed•11/24/24, 4:55 AM

No they only go one way so you’d need to decide how your going to orient the rhino. There is a fwd and back side. I’m using 9 degree fore aft and 7drgree side to side. I have a very long extension so it needed tighter limiting. My throw on the grip is about 9” fore aft and 7” side side.

Poor Yurik•11/24/24, 5:15 AM

Been loving my Rhino for a long time now, but I have to say, low level racing with it in MS2024 is a total blast. With it alongside my DOFR H3, felt like a real workout cranking into high g turns today. Absolutely LOVE IT.

HHiob I would recommend to setup your own config. It's very much a matter of your pers...

LeLv30_Superbus•11/24/24, 8:31 AM

We should consider putting this concise and useful set of instructions into the faq as this one comes up often.
I'd only add that if your Rhino has got one pot, start by putting master gain on it. If there are two of them, put spring on the #2. These two may not be what you will have later, but it's what you want to adjust in flight when you are still learning.

LLeLv30_Superbus ☝🏻 We should consider putting this concise and useful set of instructions into ...

HiobOP•11/24/24, 8:36 AM

Well, it is only one way to do it. I‘m not claiming it is THE way to do it. It leaves a lot of the advanced options (balancing the grip e.g.) out. It‘s just a starting point I found make sense.
Happy when it helped though!

VPforceBot•11/25/24, 1:33 PM

:package:

RHINO #0799 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•11/25/24, 1:34 PM

:package:

RHINO #0800 Has Shipped!

Stal2k•11/25/24, 5:16 PM

Probably what I hope is a stupid question - does anyone know if on the stock Rhino anything is 'mounted' to the base plate? I need to solve a mounting issue and I'm trying to figure out my best steps forward.

SStal2k Probably what I hope is a stupid question - does anyone know if on the stock Rhi...

f14billy•11/25/24, 5:32 PM

Nothing is mounted to it. It can be removed easily if needed.

Stal2k•11/25/24, 5:33 PM

Awesome, so hypothetically if I was to countersink 4 M6 holes into it, no harm no foul?

Stal2k•11/25/24, 5:34 PM

Full context:

f14billy•11/25/24, 5:34 PM

As long as the screws aren't too long yes. Nothing is mounted to it but fans and motors are pretty close lol

Stal2k•11/25/24, 5:36 PM

Yeah, my thought, well 1 of like 8 thoughts was to mount the base plate to the rig, then re-attach the rhino to the base plate. My intention would be to countersink them so they wouldn't be any higher than the regular plate. the other Idea was to maybe do threaded inserts or tnuts, but I think it's a little too thin for those. Anyway, thanks for the clarification.

f14billy•11/25/24, 5:39 PM

As long as you can access the screws at the bottom that attach the baseplate to the walls after mounting it you should be good.

DoctaGriff•11/25/24, 7:20 PM

Can someone explain how the VKB adapter works exactly?

I have a VKB grip, and a black box. I just received my rhino, and I'm waiting for my VKB adapter to ship

Is it literally just the "Rev C" connector, wired to a black box cable on a 3D printed cap?

I can't find any images of the side that connects to the Rhino itself. If someone has one, please share!

DDoctaGriff Can someone explain how the VKB adapter works exactly? I have a VKB grip, and ...

Fierce_Fire•11/25/24, 7:36 PM

Your guess is pretty spot on. It adapts the VKB connector to the cable the black box needs, and has internal threads on the bottom to attach to M36x2(If I remember correctly) metric threads.

FFierce_Fire Your guess is pretty spot on. It adapts the VKB connector to the cable the black...

DoctaGriff•11/25/24, 7:41 PM

Gotcha! Do you know what the female connection is called for the "Rev C" variant?

I've got a few days off this week for thanksgiving and figured I'd DIY the adapter since the one I ordered from VPForce hasn't shipped yet.

I can't seem to find the name of it anywhere.

Fierce_Fire•11/25/24, 7:43 PM

Unfortunately it might be VKB proprietary, though i think its just electrical connectors

DoctaGriff•11/25/24, 7:48 PM

That seems to be what I'm finding too. I can come up with something I'm sure. It's just wires.

flasper•11/25/24, 8:56 PM

Any Winwing Orion 2 users know why my joystick is able to spin freely when connected using the adapter?

Fflasper Any Winwing Orion 2 users know why my joystick is able to spin freely when conne...

CaptainNel•11/26/24, 12:28 AM

no idea why but id advise against it anyway, i imagine the wires and connectors being torqued arent great for them

CCaptainNel no idea why but id advise against it anyway, i imagine the wires and connectors ...

flasper•11/26/24, 12:54 AM

Yea I only did it for the video. Still trying to figure out why it’s happening. Don’t know if it’s something I’m doing or a faulty adapter.

Fflasper Any Winwing Orion 2 users know why my joystick is able to spin freely when conne...

Col. Sanders•11/26/24, 1:27 AM

It's winwing

CCol. Sanders It's winwing

flasper•11/26/24, 1:54 AM

I’m not sure what you mean. It’s doesn’t do this when connected to my Winwing base.

Fflasper I’m not sure what you mean. It’s doesn’t do this when connected to my Winwing ba...

Col. Sanders•11/26/24, 2:34 AM

Sorry was making a joke!

Fflasper Any Winwing Orion 2 users know why my joystick is able to spin freely when conne...

Stryker990•11/26/24, 9:34 AM

There is to much space between the adapter and grip button put some rubber o-rings inbetween to give it something to rub against to prevent the rotation

Stryker990•11/26/24, 9:35 AM

A similar thing happens on the winwing base (at least the somewhat older one i got) and there is a screw u insert at the side of the tightening ring to prevent that from happening

Diverzant•11/26/24, 9:45 AM

Dunno if its the right channel for writing this but Imma be selling my diy Rhino with MCG Ultimate from @SR-FWinger[73]_David since I am giving up on the hobby due to personal reasons. Pedals and Throttle are also for sale in case someone is interested. Pictures and more info in PM. Thanks

DDiverzant Dunno if its the right channel for writing this but Imma be selling my diy Rhino...

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•11/26/24, 10:24 AM

sad to hear. Maybe just give it a rest for a month and see if it pulls you back again?

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•11/26/24, 10:24 AM

once the stuff is old its done. OR geht expensive yet again some day;)

SSR-F_Winger_[73]_David sad to hear. Maybe just give it a rest for a month and see if it pulls you back ...

Diverzant•11/26/24, 10:32 AM

Naah I am out. No time nor will for it somehow, already even sold my PC so the rig is now just sitting and waiting for a new owner

SStryker990 There is to much space between the adapter and grip button put some rubber o-rin...

flasper•11/26/24, 11:57 AM

Do i put the o rings inside the grip underneath the stick? Also this is a brand new adapter so I don’t know why I need to modify it to get it to work. It should work right out of the box.

VPforceBot•11/26/24, 1:02 PM

:package:

RHINO #0803 Has Shipped!

Fflasper Do i put the o rings inside the grip underneath the stick? Also this is a brand ...

walmis•11/26/24, 1:16 PM

Looks like the the extension doesn't want tighten fully. I tested on my WW F-16 grip and it tightens okay, maybe the extension has a bit different thread profile. But it seems the adapter collar also needs an increased thread depth.
Would you be able to make spacer/washer under it? I could mail you one or new collar, but that would take a while. If you need an STL to print, let me know.

Wwalmis Looks like the the extension doesn't want tighten fully. I tested on my WW F-16 ...

flasper•11/26/24, 1:58 PM

It has the same issue when I use it without the extension. The extension had the same threads as the stick. It looks like the outer piece slides up too far and ends up past the threads. I will try putting some washers in the bottom of it but not sure if that will solve it.

flasper•11/26/24, 6:48 PM

I put 2 rubber washers in the bottom of it and that solved the issue for now.

Fflasper I put 2 rubber washers in the bottom of it and that solved the issue for now.

Ice•11/26/24, 8:19 PM

The Winwing extension I got for my 16EX came with 2 white plastic spacers and they worked perfectly as a permanent solution.

Ice•11/26/24, 8:19 PM

Don’t know if the rubber will loosen over time, but it probably won’t

maleioch•11/27/24, 1:38 AM

I currently have a TM Warthog Stick. I'm thinking of switching to a Winwing ViperAce EX. I don't currently own a Winwing stick. Will I need to purchase a winwing base in order to make it work with the Rhino?

@walmis Hardware Trim behavior: Hey Walmis, I noticed that after the latest Firmware update, a trimm

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