Can someone explain how the VKB adapter works exactly? I have a VKB grip, and a black box. I just

Can someone explain how the VKB adapter works exactly?

I have a VKB grip, and a black box. I just received my rhino, and I'm waiting for my VKB adapter to ship

Is it literally just the "Rev C" connector, wired to a black box cable on a 3D printed cap?

I can't find any images of the side that connects to the Rhino itself. If someone has one, please share!

DDoctaGriff Can someone explain how the VKB adapter works exactly? I have a VKB grip, and ...

Fierce_Fire•11/25/24, 7:36 PM

Your guess is pretty spot on. It adapts the VKB connector to the cable the black box needs, and has internal threads on the bottom to attach to M36x2(If I remember correctly) metric threads.

FFierce_Fire Your guess is pretty spot on. It adapts the VKB connector to the cable the black...

DoctaGriffOP•11/25/24, 7:41 PM

Gotcha! Do you know what the female connection is called for the "Rev C" variant?

I've got a few days off this week for thanksgiving and figured I'd DIY the adapter since the one I ordered from VPForce hasn't shipped yet.

I can't seem to find the name of it anywhere.

Fierce_Fire•11/25/24, 7:43 PM

Unfortunately it might be VKB proprietary, though i think its just electrical connectors

DoctaGriffOP•11/25/24, 7:48 PM

That seems to be what I'm finding too. I can come up with something I'm sure. It's just wires.

flasper•11/25/24, 8:56 PM

Any Winwing Orion 2 users know why my joystick is able to spin freely when connected using the adapter?

Fflasper Any Winwing Orion 2 users know why my joystick is able to spin freely when conne...

CaptainNel•11/26/24, 12:28 AM

no idea why but id advise against it anyway, i imagine the wires and connectors being torqued arent great for them

CCaptainNel no idea why but id advise against it anyway, i imagine the wires and connectors ...

flasper•11/26/24, 12:54 AM

Yea I only did it for the video. Still trying to figure out why it’s happening. Don’t know if it’s something I’m doing or a faulty adapter.

Fflasper Any Winwing Orion 2 users know why my joystick is able to spin freely when conne...

Col. Sanders•11/26/24, 1:27 AM

It's winwing

CCol. Sanders It's winwing

flasper•11/26/24, 1:54 AM

I’m not sure what you mean. It’s doesn’t do this when connected to my Winwing base.

Fflasper I’m not sure what you mean. It’s doesn’t do this when connected to my Winwing ba...

Col. Sanders•11/26/24, 2:34 AM

Sorry was making a joke!

Fflasper Any Winwing Orion 2 users know why my joystick is able to spin freely when conne...

Stryker990•11/26/24, 9:34 AM

There is to much space between the adapter and grip button put some rubber o-rings inbetween to give it something to rub against to prevent the rotation

Stryker990•11/26/24, 9:35 AM

A similar thing happens on the winwing base (at least the somewhat older one i got) and there is a screw u insert at the side of the tightening ring to prevent that from happening

Diverzant•11/26/24, 9:45 AM

Dunno if its the right channel for writing this but Imma be selling my diy Rhino with MCG Ultimate from @SR-FWinger[73]_David since I am giving up on the hobby due to personal reasons. Pedals and Throttle are also for sale in case someone is interested. Pictures and more info in PM. Thanks

DDiverzant Dunno if its the right channel for writing this but Imma be selling my diy Rhino...

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•11/26/24, 10:24 AM

sad to hear. Maybe just give it a rest for a month and see if it pulls you back again?

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•11/26/24, 10:24 AM

once the stuff is old its done. OR geht expensive yet again some day;)

SSR-F_Winger_[73]_David sad to hear. Maybe just give it a rest for a month and see if it pulls you back ...

Diverzant•11/26/24, 10:32 AM

Naah I am out. No time nor will for it somehow, already even sold my PC so the rig is now just sitting and waiting for a new owner

SStryker990 There is to much space between the adapter and grip button put some rubber o-rin...

flasper•11/26/24, 11:57 AM

Do i put the o rings inside the grip underneath the stick? Also this is a brand new adapter so I don’t know why I need to modify it to get it to work. It should work right out of the box.

VPforceBot•11/26/24, 1:02 PM

:package:

RHINO #0803 Has Shipped!

Fflasper Do i put the o rings inside the grip underneath the stick? Also this is a brand ...

walmis•11/26/24, 1:16 PM

Looks like the the extension doesn't want tighten fully. I tested on my WW F-16 grip and it tightens okay, maybe the extension has a bit different thread profile. But it seems the adapter collar also needs an increased thread depth.
Would you be able to make spacer/washer under it? I could mail you one or new collar, but that would take a while. If you need an STL to print, let me know.

Wwalmis Looks like the the extension doesn't want tighten fully. I tested on my WW F-16 ...

flasper•11/26/24, 1:58 PM

It has the same issue when I use it without the extension. The extension had the same threads as the stick. It looks like the outer piece slides up too far and ends up past the threads. I will try putting some washers in the bottom of it but not sure if that will solve it.

flasper•11/26/24, 6:48 PM

I put 2 rubber washers in the bottom of it and that solved the issue for now.

Fflasper I put 2 rubber washers in the bottom of it and that solved the issue for now.

Ice•11/26/24, 8:19 PM

The Winwing extension I got for my 16EX came with 2 white plastic spacers and they worked perfectly as a permanent solution.

Ice•11/26/24, 8:19 PM

Don’t know if the rubber will loosen over time, but it probably won’t

maleioch•11/27/24, 1:38 AM

I currently have a TM Warthog Stick. I'm thinking of switching to a Winwing ViperAce EX. I don't currently own a Winwing stick. Will I need to purchase a winwing base in order to make it work with the Rhino?

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:03 AM

Would the MEAN WELL LRS-350-24 be enough to power x4 86 series motors? Or would I need two or even 3?

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:04 AM

I'm not sure exactly how many amps each motor draws at full load

f14billy•11/27/24, 2:06 AM

I'd get at least two just in case. Then you can test. They have connections to power 3 boards in one. If it can handle it then you can have a backup PSU

Ff14billy I'd get at least two just in case. Then you can test. They have connections to p...

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:11 AM

Yeah I saw the there are 3 outputs per power supply. Wiring is bit of my thing being a fire system engineer & a licensed electrician

. @walmis What is the current draw of the 86BLF04?

f14billy•11/27/24, 2:13 AM

I believe it's limited to 30amps. At least that's what I see in the config.

Ff14billy I believe it's limited to 30amps. At least that's what I see in the config.

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:19 AM

The Meanwell LRS-350-24 has a max output of 14.6 amps @ 24 VDC. The motor output is 36A but I don't think anyone is using 36A

f14billy•11/27/24, 2:20 AM

Right. In the config it's set to 30A max

Ff14billy Right. In the config it's set to 30A max

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:23 AM

Then you would need a power supply that is capable above with a safety margin

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:27 AM

I mean if 4 motors were driven at balls to the wall at 30 amp each you would be pushing over 120 amps. Most people in rural areas have a 100 amp service coming to their homes. If someone had a 200 amp service (I have a 400 coming into my house) then technically you would need 40 AMP dedicated circuits. The next option would be to go to 220V to cut the AMPs in half. This is why it doesn't make sense to me. The output on the motor may deliver 30A but what is the required input? Is there any rectification happening etc..

HH145Rotor-Sims I mean if 4 motors were driven at balls to the wall at 30 amp each you would be ...

Everwake•11/27/24, 2:34 AM

30A is in 24v no? So max of 720w per motor, or 6.5A in 110v. Probably still more than anyone needs? At those amps overheating seems guaranteed

EEverwake 30A is in 24v no? So max of 720w per motor, or 6.5A in 110v. Probably still mor...

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:36 AM

This would make more sense, I have 120v coming in aka if the motors draw a peak of 720w then that is 6A in my case. I could always clamp on my amp meter and check while the motor is running as well

HH145Rotor-Sims This would make more sense, I have 120v coming in aka if the motors draw a peak ...

Everwake•11/27/24, 2:44 AM

Do you know how much pedal pressure should me present? I would think it is less in a helicopter than an old propeller plane? Maybe the momentary amps turn out to be a non-issue?

EEverwake Do you know how much pedal pressure should me present? I would think it is less ...

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:49 AM

Well I fly an H145 which has an AFCS so never really facing the true force especially with 2 hydraulic systems. I've flown old Cessna 182s in real life which is mechanical cable system so you feel the forces. There is a difference in different aircraft so I can't really tell you. I remember the feel of a 182 so when I had brunner pedals I set it to the way it felt to me closest in real life.

HH145Rotor-Sims Well I fly an H145 which has an AFCS so never really facing the true force espec...

Everwake•11/27/24, 2:51 AM

Good thing is you then have a frame of reference for the pedal feel you want, so if it is not enough, getting another psu is quite easy

EEverwake Good thing is you then have a frame of reference for the pedal feel you want, so...

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 2:52 AM

This is true but I haven't flown an H145. I asked an engineer who works on the aircraft. He will tell me what the force would be both on/off the afcs required

Mike T•11/27/24, 5:48 AM

Just remind me……if I order a motor from the VP Force website, how do I select that I want a pitch version……can’t see where you select that option?
Ta

MMike T Just remind me……if I order a motor from the VP Force website, how do I select th...

walmis•11/27/24, 8:33 AM

You can swap it in software later, currently there's no need for any specific motor ID

HH145Rotor-Sims Yeah I saw the there are 3 outputs per power supply. Wiring is bit of my thing b...

walmis•11/27/24, 8:37 AM

Single motor can draw up to 160-180W roughly, also important to note that

motor amps != PSU amps

motor amps != PSU amps

since the motor windings operate at low voltages.
Single Meanwell 350W handles joystick + pedals just fine

Wwalmis Single motor can draw up to 160-180W roughly, also important to note that`motor ...

Hiob•11/27/24, 8:37 AM

...and not even breaks sweat.

Hiob•11/27/24, 8:38 AM

aka the fan doesn't even spin up for the most part....

walmis•11/27/24, 8:46 AM

There's also this interesting relationship between torque/amps produced and power consumed / heat generated:

HH145Rotor-Sims Would the MEAN WELL LRS-350-24 be enough to power x4 86 series motors? Or wo...

Fierce_Fire•11/27/24, 12:59 PM

2 max, i use one psu for 2 86 motors, but dont know how maxed out the supply is

Wwalmis Single motor can draw up to 160-180W roughly, also important to note that`motor ...

H145Rotor-Sims•11/27/24, 1:00 PM

Thank you!

Fierce_Fire•11/27/24, 1:01 PM

And if i may ask, in what situation do you expect to max out both axis of the joystick, and the pedals, and the collective

Fierce_Fire•11/27/24, 1:01 PM

So although maybe not great, 1 psu is probably fine

HH145Rotor-Sims The Meanwell LRS-350-24 has a max output of 14.6 amps @ 24 VDC. The motor output...

Hiob•11/27/24, 1:30 PM

Don't confuse the motor amps (which aren't applied continously and at different voltages) with the current that is drawn from the PSU. You can actually see it in the VP config where the values for max motor amps and max PSU amps are seperate and the latter is usually way below <4. Something around 6 is plenty for a single motor.
I know I'm not the first to point that out to you, but I think it could help spread awareness and understanding for people that may drop by here.

Regarding the 15A Meanwell. A collective and Rudder Pedals (in a Helicopter) will never actually draw max current. And you can limit the allowed amount in the config. I'd say it is pretty unlikely, that a 4 motor setup will pull max current for each motor at the same time.
I wouldn't worry to drive 4 motors from a single PSU and just limit the max allowed amps per motor/device accordingly.

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